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martindcx1e
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11-03-2006, 05:09 AM
Post subject: Thoughts on Raising From SB vs. 1 Limper
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I tried out a lot of raising from the SB when faced with 1 LP limper in tonight's session, and it seemed to work very well. I figured that if someone is open limping in LP then they must not like their hand too much, and the BB won't see my raise as a blatant steal attempt as often since someone else has entered the pot. Maybe I just got lucky this time, but it made a lot of sense to me at the time. Thoughts?
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zook
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I like it. Raises from the blinds get a lot of respect making c-bets more effective too.
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dpe8598
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Its a great move, but only if they respect it. If you start moving a ton from the blinds, your hands will get no respect and alert late position players will call you down w/ anything and call down on all streets if they hit the flop at all. If you can handle this heat though, its great, because this is another example of how being aggressive will get you action when you really want it later.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by dpe8598
Its a great move, but only if they respect it. If you start moving a ton from the blinds, your hands will get no respect and alert late position players will call you down w/ anything and call down on all streets if they hit the flop at all. If you can handle this heat though, its great, because this is another example of how being aggressive will get you action when you really want it later.
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so do you do this often when conditions are right? i've never really heard of this move before lol.
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by dpe8598
Its a great move, but only if they respect it. If you start moving a ton from the blinds, your hands will get no respect and alert late position players will call you down w/ anything and call down on all streets if they hit the flop at all. If you can handle this heat though, its great, because this is another example of how being aggressive will get you action when you really want it later.
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so do you do this often when conditions are right? i've never really heard of this move before lol. |
Yes, sometimes when I am at a super weak table, I start moving a lot from the blinds. Another move is to bet the pot after a bunch of limpers and then 2/3 pot it on the flop. Again, aware players won't let you get away w/ this much, but it is gold against nutt peddlars.
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cardsman1992
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I do this a lot, but mostly with a reasonable hand. Any ace, KT+, PPS. I would like to do it more with crap. Seems that I get folds the vast majority of the time. Your reasoning is right, the limper probably doesn't like his hand that well, and the BB is likely not to have anything.
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ya u really can make a good chunk over time from these guys who limp in with garbage and fold too much.
yesterday a guy was habitually doing this on 2 of my tables for like an hour. I musta made at least $10-20 just stealing his "dead blind" with anything semi reasonable...
and he never even played back  at least it was easy $
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martindcx1e
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we need a sticky of "moves" like this
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obviously, for these "moves" we need to pay attention to who we are betting into. the loosies wont let us do this for long. and when you get called/RRed, it becomes easier to let it go, since you are oop and likely to be dominated.
do you typically c-bet the flop, then check the rest of the way if called?
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Chopper
obviously, for these "moves" we need to pay attention to who we are betting into. the loosies wont let us do this for long. and when you get called/RRed, it becomes easier to let it go, since you are oop and likely to be dominated.
do you typically c-bet the flop, then check the rest of the way if called?
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for the most part. but if bb & limper both call then i am far less likely to cbet if i don't hit flop very well.
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Chopper
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Chopper
obviously, for these "moves" we need to pay attention to who we are betting into. the loosies wont let us do this for long. and when you get called/RRed, it becomes easier to let it go, since you are oop and likely to be dominated.
do you typically c-bet the flop, then check the rest of the way if called?
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for the most part. but if bb & limper both call then i am far less likely to cbet if i don't hit flop very well. |
even with 2 opponents, you dont cbet often? with 3+ i understand, as i wouldnt steal with air...too many players.
i figure you fire one barrel w/ AJo into a flop of T 2 6 or Qs 7d 4s. stuff like that can earn you a small pot for a bet of $1.50. if you get a caller on the flop, then i give up.
but, i find it advantagous to cbet once. it can set up the turn if you catch a card. if called, and i catch the turn, i check-raise and usually grab a nice pot there, too.
is that too aggressive?
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Chopper
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Originally Posted by Chopper
obviously, for these "moves" we need to pay attention to who we are betting into. the loosies wont let us do this for long. and when you get called/RRed, it becomes easier to let it go, since you are oop and likely to be dominated.
do you typically c-bet the flop, then check the rest of the way if called?
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for the most part. but if bb & limper both call then i am far less likely to cbet if i don't hit flop very well. |
even with 2 opponents, you dont cbet often? with 3+ i understand, as i wouldnt steal with air...too many players.
i figure you fire one barrel w/ AJo into a flop of T 2 6 or Qs 7d 4s. stuff like that can earn you a small pot for a bet of $1.50. if you get a caller on the flop, then i give up.
but, i find it advantagous to cbet once. it can set up the turn if you catch a card. if called, and i catch the turn, i check-raise and usually grab a nice pot there, too.
is that too aggressive? |
it might just be personal preference. i'm not sure. i just hate cbetting oop into multiple opponents with a crap hand. if you have a lot of outs that changes things.
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Chopper
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i see your point, too. it just seems to be profitable for me. i have no numbers to base this on, just a feeling.
and it may be selective memory 
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Turska
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Well if someone is not taking advantage of late position
you should definetely take the initiative and
raise SB. I think it +EV.
You are right that raising SB is generally not
considered steal because you are OOP.
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