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Parasurama
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12-08-2008, 03:07 AM
Post subject: Thoughts on preflop raise amounts
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Full House
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I saw that there was a mini-debate in the iopq thread between rilla and muzzard about raising semi-random amounts versus following a strict formula. Since I didn't want to hijack the thread, I decided to make a new thread where people could debate this. Here are my thoughts:
I find that people play somewhat differently against me when I'm raising in semi-random amounts instead of following a 3+1 or 4+1 formula. I don't really understand it but people tend to play back at me a lot less when I do so. Maybe players get an image of me as a trickier player.
More important than this psychological effect on my opponents, I feel that raising semi-random amounts preflop helps keep me interested in the game. It makes me think about stack sizes, pot sizes, and position all in a way conducive to me extracting the most from my opponent/losing the least. Having to type in a strange amount makes me more focused on the action whereas rolling the wheel on my mouse and hitting bet somehow makes it feel okay to open a browser window to pass the boredom until the flop (this probably sounds ridiculous to some but I know others will empathize).
Either way, I think, is an effective way to make sure that you're not giving away any information to observant opponents from your preflop raise amounts.
Agreement? Dissension?
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AFchung
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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i made a thread about preflop raises too. check it out here, theres some good stuff
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ng-t79011.html
i generally just go for the 4x+1. it just makes things standardized and so much easier when i'm multi tabling
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kb coolman
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For the most part, I start every table raising 4BB+1BB/limper, max 8BB pre-flop. I'll keep this strategy for the entire session at a standard table with mostly 20/10s where I want to isolate.
That being said, poker is not a static game. I always adjust my pre-flop play to the table after about 30 hands. With 2-3 stations, I want to keep my PF raise within their calling range. Sometimes it's 2BB, others it's 8BB. It's whatever it takes to get them to Valuetown.
I also think that your PF raising size isn't nearly as important as the hands you are raising. Sometimes I'll shown down with mid pair when I know I'm beat because it gets the villans opening up my range. If my percieved range is greater than my actual range for most hands, I can get more action on 4th and 5th street.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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I just like raising 2.66 bbs one hand and 3.13 the next. It enables me to bet odd amounts post flop and not look strange. Takes a level of autopilot out of my play. Of course, it's not advice that I'd hammer home as important. It's just something I do and I don't think people are making a mistake with a little variety.
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Precisely.
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swiggidy
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It doesn't matter much at micros because people don't pay enough attention, and can't hand read anyway. I don't personally like 3bb pre because it leaves too much behind for overpairs and TPTK type hands.
I usually raise 4bb+1, will raise 3bb+1 after very passive players with hands that play well with higher SPR.
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kmind
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I raise more the lower the stakes I play. Usually pot is fine and 3.5xbb in SB when opening. Depending on who's in the blinds you can minraise/2.5bb.
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daven
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i just hit bet-pot
too lazy to think for myself
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AFchung
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by daven
i just hit bet-pot
too lazy to think for myself
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i always hit that button when playing FTP play money 
too bad my real money account is on stars and theres no bet pot button haha
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vclortho
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Join Date: Nov 2008
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I play micro at the moment, and definately find that I need to raise bigger amounts pre-flop.
In the micros at the room I play, I'll get 6/8 callers by just going 2-3BB. Hence, I'm now raising 4-5 +1 just to get the random crap out of the way...
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They called it poker because the word FU<K! was taken...
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by daven
i just hit bet-pot
too lazy to think for myself
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yeah me too
although I 3b smaller than pot
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operotuprox
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01-31-2012, 08:23 PM
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