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spoonitnow
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05-05-2008, 01:56 PM
Post subject: For Those Needing Practice With Pot Odds
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I made a quick PHP script to let you practice calculating pot odds and knowing the odds you're getting with some number of outs with one card to come. It's not all flashy and whatnot, but I figured if I was only going to spend 10 minutes of my time then it shouldn't have to be.
http://www.ssgrinder.com/pot_odds_trainer.php
Any feedback is welcome, although I doubt I'll change anything.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Nice nice.
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If pot is $11 and is $11 more to call wouldn't you be getting 2:1, i.e. $22:$11? Unless pot was zero and bet was $11?
Confirmed?
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euphoricism
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Add in implied odds plz. I fail there.
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HiLo
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2nd one I tried said "pot is $21 and it costs $23 to call" ermm...!!!!
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by yourfather
If pot is $11 and is $11 more to call wouldn't you be getting 2:1, i.e. $22:$11? Unless pot was zero and bet was $11?
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No, you're getting 11:11. The pot is $11 when it's your turn to act.
And yes, like I said, I spent like ten minutes total on this so there are going to be some funny spots but you should still be able to figure the odds.
Edit: Fixed it real quick, shouldn't have anymore impossible scenarios.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Add in implied odds plz. I fail there.
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It's just current odds plus an estimate of how much you're going to get from villain. Since I know you have adequate experience with LHE, if you think of the current amount you're calling as the bet size, you could consider how many more bets you can get from villain on later streets, etc.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by HiLo
2nd one I tried said "pot is $21 and it costs $23 to call" ermm...!!!!
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yeah, so?
The pot is $21 on the turn. Villain bets $23, just over pot. You're getting 23:21.
Edit: errr 21:23
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Monty3038
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ok, wait, I found this thread through euphoricism's last post...
So if there is let's say $21 in the pot, villain bets $23... there is now $44 in the pot, to call costs you $23... that is roughly 44:23 or 2 to 1, correct?
Or am I missing something?
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deacon_bluez
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Originally Posted by HiLo
2nd one I tried said "pot is $21 and it costs $23 to call" ermm...!!!!
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yeah, so?
The pot is $21 on the turn. Villain bets $23, just over pot. You're getting 23:21.
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This can't be, or else Spoon's wording is confoosing. In your explanation, the problem should instead say "pot is $44 and it costs $23 to call." The question is: is the $21 the amount of the pot before any turn bets, or after a bet has been made (my assumption on the problems I tried; in which case the scenario would be impossible). When we calculate pot odds, we need to know how much is in the pot now ($44), not before the bet.
I'm sure before Spoon puts the shrinkwrap on this product, he'll fix up the booboos. 
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euphoricism
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ok i see what youre sayin
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by HiLo
2nd one I tried said "pot is $21 and it costs $23 to call" ermm...!!!!
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yeah, so?
The pot is $21 on the turn. Villain bets $23, just over pot. You're getting 23:21.
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This is wrong.
When the pot is $21 for example, then that means it's your turn to act and the pot is $21. THIS IS INCLUDING WHATEVER VILLAINS HAVE PUT INTO THE POT BEFORE IT'S YOUR TURN TO ACT OMFG WHY CAN'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS.
Anyway.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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noiqpoker
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Very nice
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wesrman
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Thanks Spoon.
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spoonitnow
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I'm glad some of you liked it. I just got tired of making up pot odds examples when people asked me about it, so now I can just refer them there.
Any other ideas for stuff like this?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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d0zer
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I think you should have made it more clear whether or not the stated size of the pot includes the bet you're facing or not.
Bloody UB only shows the pot size up to the current round of betting, and not what anyone's put in, so I've gotten in the habit of mentally adding the current bets to the pot size before doing my quick odds approximation.
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Dude_Here
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Thanks also. This is a good way for a beginner to start thinking about pot odds and and outs. I also didn't realize villains bet was already in but by the 2nd example saw that must be the case.
GJ
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
You want to hear what you want to hear, and nobody will change your mind.
The lesson which will stay is that which you experience on your own.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by d0zer
I think you should have made it more clear whether or not the stated size of the pot includes the bet you're facing or not.
Bloody UB only shows the pot size up to the current round of betting, and not what anyone's put in, so I've gotten in the habit of mentally adding the current bets to the pot size before doing my quick odds approximation. |
It doesn't matter what UB does and I shouldn't have done shit. The pot is the money in when it's your turn to act.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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d0zer
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I also didn't realize villains bet was already in
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I shouldn't have done shit.
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No need to get touchy just cause I'm blunt with my 'constructive criticism'. I think it's great you've made a n00b teaching tool ...n00bs just need as much hand-holding as possible.
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n00bs just need as much hand-holding as possible.
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epic fail
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Dude_Here
I also didn't realize villains bet was already in
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I shouldn't have done shit.
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No need to get touchy just cause I'm blunt with my 'constructive criticism'. I think it's great you've made a n00b teaching tool ...n00bs just need as much hand-holding as possible. |
No, noobs need to understand that if they work their asses off right now they can have a fuckton of money in just a few years.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
No, noobs need to understand that if they work their asses off right now they can have a fuckton of money in just a few years.
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Admittedly, the april graph thread's given this n00b hope...
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pduan
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So you should only call if your out ratio is... greater than pot odds correct?
Maybe add in a piece that says whether you should call or not?
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jyms
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Originally Posted by pduan
So you should only call if your out ratio is... greater than pot odds correct?
Maybe add in a piece that says whether you should call or not?
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i was going to post about this Spoon. You need to put a yes or now in your answers for a noob quiz. Just having the odds will not explain enough to the type that will try this test. I like it though. Not sure most will get how your getting the odds from outs either but that may be me underestimating.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by pduan
So you should only call if your out ratio is... greater than pot odds correct?
Maybe add in a piece that says whether you should call or not?
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i was going to post about this Spoon. You need to put a yes or now in your answers for a noob quiz. Just having the odds will not explain enough to the type that will try this test. I like it though. Not sure most will get how your getting the odds from outs either but that may be me underestimating. |
I'll only hold hands so far
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by d0zer
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
No, noobs need to understand that if they work their asses off right now they can have a fuckton of money in just a few years.
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Admittedly, the april graph thread's given this n00b hope... |
Awesome. 
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Originally Posted by pduan
So you should only call if your out ratio is... greater than pot odds correct?
Maybe add in a piece that says whether you should call or not?
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I'm not being a smartass (I promise) but maybe you should research pot odds a little and figure it out for yourself? You'll learn a lot more than if I hold your hand through it all.
I've provided an answer for the hard part (finding examples of situations where you need to calculate pot odds and compare that to the odds you'll hit your draw, which you know by how many outs you have) but the easy part is learning what pot odds are, how to calculate them, and how to apply them to typical drawing hands.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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jyms
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fair enough if that was the intention
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by jyms
fair enough if that was the intention
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Holla. Btw, nice sig, wonder where you got that from coughmecough.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Good stuff... and YES I need this. :sad face:
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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Originally Posted by Dude_Here
I also didn't realize villains bet was already in
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I shouldn't have done shit.
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No need to get touchy just cause I'm blunt with my 'constructive criticism'. I think it's great you've made a n00b teaching tool ...n00bs just need as much hand-holding as possible. |
No, noobs need to understand that if they work their asses off right now they can have a fuckton of money in just a few years. |
--> Working my ass off right now... hoping to prove Spoon right.
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