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Old 05-28-2009, 09:59 AM     Post subject: Things to improve or move up? Stats? #1 (permalink)  
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I am getting close to my second 100k hand run at nl25 and I am beating this level slowly +3.7/100 ptBB/100. I hear a lot of people beating this level for a lot more. I am over rolled to move up but don't think my game is super solid yet. I am still having touble raising my pfr% up and keeping my steal % up. Otherwise is there some obv. things that could be improved from my numbers? I am currently playing full ring on stars.

VPIP%-13.4
PFR%-9
FLOP C BETS%-70
FLOP FOLD VS C BET%-61
3 BET%-2.5
VS 3 BET FOLD%-54
VS 3 BET CALL%-39
4 BET RANGE%-.6
WTSD%-23.9
W$SD%-54
AGG-2.45
AGG%-24.4
STEAL PCT-24.7
PREFLOP POS AWARE-3.38
CHECK RAISE-3.9
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:05 AM #2 (permalink)  
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you call 3bs 39% of the time?
isn't a 3b like the nuts at NL10?

also, the reason you're not beating the level for more is because you don't bet or raise post-flop nearly enough
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:57 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Yep, calling 3bets waaaaay too much. You should be folding like 75% or more of the time.

Also 3bet a bit more yourself, and generally raise a wider range from the CO and BTN.

Overall not too bad though. If you're fully rolled for it, move the f*ck up.
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Old 05-28-2009, 06:36 PM #4 (permalink)  
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also, the reason you're not beating the level for more is because you don't bet or raise post-flop nearly enough
So by this do you mean getting more value out of my hands or that I am not aggressive enough postflop?

Thanks for the info will try to work on the fold to 3 bet numbers.

As far as nl10 I dunno but at nl25 I find a lot of 3 bet and actuall 4 bet hands I have been finding end up being small pocket pairs, Axs and other broadway cards lately. But maybe I have just been getting good table selection. This of course is player dependant not someone running a 3 bet % of 1.5 ish
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:43 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 LOL..all these 2+2 reg's that play 25nl usually 3-bet like monkey-fucks, I'm surprised you don't.

Steal/isolate more and 3bet a bit more when in position etc vs lp steals and you're pfr/vpip will probably end up around 14/11-12ish I guess
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also, the reason you're not beating the level for more is because you don't bet or raise post-flop nearly enough
So by this do you mean getting more value out of my hands or that I am not aggressive enough postflop?
both
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:49 PM #7 (permalink)  
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LOL..all these 2+2 reg's that play 25nl usually 3-bet like monkey-fucks, I'm surprised you don't.
NL50 seems a lot worse to me
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:02 PM #8 (permalink)  
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vpip seems low too. Do you not get the chance to isolate limpers more often at 10nl? good god, I play like a 15/10 game that gets pushed up to like 19/13 because of all the isolating I do

I commented on it the day I brought you to the site too.

Glad to see you're still around infamous.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:17 PM #9 (permalink)  
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vpip seems low too. Do you not get the chance to isolate limpers more often at 10nl? good god, I play like a 15/10 game that gets pushed up to like 19/13 because of all the isolating I do

I commented on it the day I brought you to the site too.

Glad to see you're still around infamous.
I am here lingering from time to time except these stats are from nl25 not nl10 but that is the second time someone has asked me about nl10. Not sure where it is coming from.

As far as isolating limpers I do when with combination of the limp call % and fold to flop C bet shows to be an easier profit.
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:23 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 These are mostly preflop stats btw. Maybe posting some more stuff postflop related would be of value, though I'm not really good an looking at postlfop stats, I think there are some other's around here who can spot some leaks by doing so.
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Old 05-29-2009, 12:22 AM #11 (permalink)  
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The problem with these "please look at my stats" threads is that one can only spot UBER obvious leaks. Others already pointed out that you call 3bets WAY too much. Stuff like that that is easy to spot.

Then you'll get a lot of assumptions like "hmmm your xxx stat is yyy so you might be doing zzz to much"

I'm really, really adversed to giving vague advice to a player based on a few numbers. In fact I think stats are soooooooo overrated it's not even funny anymore. I mean what good does it do you to know that you call 3bets too much. Yes you can "artificially" reduce your 3bet calling frequency by just not calling so much anymore, but that is like having some 8 year old memorize that 8 * 8 = 64 without explaining to him WHY that is so. When he's asked "what equals 8 * 8?" he'll answer correctly and quickly "64". He'll never be able to answer "what equals 5 * 6?" and he'll also not be able to develop the answer to that on his own because no one ever taught him multiplying. They just made him memorize the correct answer to one multiplication.

What I'm trying to get at here with this longwinded rant is in short the phrase I'm quite well known for by now:

Improve Your Game And Your Stats Will Follow!

To give another cheesy metaphor: You need to approach your game in a homeopathic kinda way. You need to treat the cause of the problem, not it's symptoms.

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As far as isolating limpers I do when with combination of the limp call % and fold to flop C bet shows to be an easier profit.
My suggestion: REMOVE THESE STATS FROM YOUR HUD ASAP!!!

Fuck it I just had another cheesy metaphor come to my mind: When playing poker you want to be like Luke Skywalker. Remember in episode 4 when he makes his death star run and Obi Wan tells him to remove his HUD? DO THAT! Don't look at stats! Look at your game!

May the force be with you.

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Old 05-29-2009, 04:46 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 In other words learn how to read souls or gtfo.
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:24 AM #13 (permalink)  
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The problem with these "please look at my stats" threads is that one can only spot UBER obvious leaks....
disagree, they also indicate areas where you can most efficiently look at your game to work on improving it.

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call 3-bets less
3-bet more from button and cutoff
iso limper-fish more often.

Filter your hands on those where you called a 3-bet without QQ+. Think about those missing $$
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 05-29-2009, 08:56 AM #14 (permalink)  
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iso limper-fish more often.
It's not just limpers you can exploit. Some players will let you 3-bet and flat them with position then rob them blind. When you have position you don't need to jam the pot, 2.5x works just fine.
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iso limper-fish more often.
It's not just limpers you can exploit. Some players will let you 3-bet and flat them with position then rob them blind. When you have position you don't need to jam the pot, 2.5x works just fine.
great advice!
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Old 06-01-2009, 10:11 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Great advice on the 3-bets with QQ-, something that I would like to work on as well.

Any chance our regs/experts could help me understand what an "optimal" PF Full-Ring 3-Bet% (both overall & BU/CO positional) should look like (i.e. what do you run at)?

Also, curious about what kinds of hands work best in the QQ- 3-Bet from CO/BU.

Based on Rentons ABCD, Guessing "C" hands that have good implied odds (Axs, SC's and low PP's) and Broadways, is this correct?

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Old 06-01-2009, 10:22 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Any chance our regs/experts could help me understand what an "optimal" PF 3-Bet% (both overall & BU/CO positional) should look like (i.e. what do you run at)?
No such thing as optimal as a whole.

Optimal is going to depend on your own reads concerning your opponent. Against a certain type of opponent 100% 3bet could be optimal, against another type of opponent the "optimal" 3-bet range would be never.

FWIW, at the micros you're 3-betting for value much more often than any other level, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're 3-betting more often at the micros alltogether.
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