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Old 03-25-2005, 04:15 PM     Post subject: They were the best of hands. They were the worst of hands. #1 (permalink)  
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 I wasn't sure which forum to start this thread (if I chose wrong, please move me!).

I was looking at my hand histories last night and found a nice little shocker: in my lowly 3k ring NL hands, my most profitable hand has been AA. My losing-est hand? KK. Whaaaaaaaaaaaa? Checked it out and see my many, many newbie errors (I intend to post all 14 hands as a cautionary tale under Hand Histories this weekend).

But back to this thread.

I noticed that my MOST profitable hands are pretty good ones: AA, 77, TT as it turns out. I also noticed that my MOST UN-PROFITABLE hands are pretty good ones too: KK, AQo, ATs.

In my 3000 hands, the majority of hands fall in the middle of only winning or losing 1BB or less. As the hands get 'better' they gravitate toward one end or the other. It truly is the skill of your play that makes your big hands (KK?!) big winners or giant-ass losers.

So in this thread I'd like to hear from everyone else:
WHAT ARE YOUR BIGGEST WINNING AND LOSING STARTING HANDS?
(and maybe add your samble size as this may prove relevant)
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Old 03-25-2005, 04:44 PM #2 (permalink)  
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My top 3 winners after 20k hands:

AA, JJ, KQs

My top 3 losers:

KJo, AJs, QJo

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Old 03-25-2005, 05:54 PM #3 (permalink)  

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Top winners:

AA, KK, QQ, JJ, KQs (nice to see)

Top loosers:

Q8s, AKs, KJs

Surprised about AKs, I posted another thread where I would appreciate feedback on how others play AKs.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=9062

I think I overvalue the fact that it's suited, because AKo is a profitable hand for me.
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Old 03-25-2005, 07:29 PM #4 (permalink)  
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10K hands

Top winners (BB/hand):

AQs, AA, KK, QQ, AKs

top losers (best to worst):


QTs, A8s, 53s, 87s, KTs

Humm . . . all the losers are suited.

The 53s is from 34 samples, 33 of which I folded preflop or after a free flop from the blinds. And 1 hand of flopping a straight from the blinds and the losing to a higher straight on the river.

The 87s is from flopping a fullboat and getting a KK to go All-In only to have him flop the King on the river for a higher boat.

The QTs comes from one bad hand where I had two pair with a King on the board and lost to an AJ straight.

Only takes one hand to really make things look bad.
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Old 03-25-2005, 10:06 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I'm surprised people aren't losing more with AQo. Starting playing NLHE again yesterday and two of the guys I broke both had AQo. No accident.
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Old 03-25-2005, 10:21 PM #6 (permalink)  
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10k hands: Winners:

AA, KK, AKS, 65s!!! (based on two monster pots where 65s cracked AA and KK, respectively, with
straights (one flopped)

BTW, when AA was cracked by 65s, he didn't raise preflop UTG, allowing me to play the small suited connector cheaply.


losers: A 10, KJo, QJo, 10 9s (based on two hands where 678 was flopped and opponent also had 10 9s, different suit with flush draw that completed - twice!!!
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 Obviously hands like AJ KJ QJ are gonna be big losers as any time you get any kind of action with them you are beat. Solution?....Dont play them!
 
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Old 03-25-2005, 11:18 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Fnord Posted: Sat, 26 Mar 2005, 7:06am Post subject:

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I'm surprised people aren't losing more with AQo. Starting playing NLHE again yesterday and two of the guys I broke both had AQo. No accident.
I am, Fnord.
But I'm pretty much the newbie player around here.

But this is the point of the post. Perhaps only for us newbies, some decent hands wind up big losers through bad play (ie. over-valueing!).

KK is going to get cracked by AA every once in a while, sure. But letting it get cracked by a flush or straight is just bad play on my part.

This sums up my thread:
KTo Average: +1.23BB.
KTs Average: -2.13BB.

KToff: (A Hypothetical)
Limp into a small pot.
Hit top pair.
Win a small uncontested pot. Otherwise it's folded.

KTsuited: (A Hypothetical)
Limp into a pot.
Hit top pair or a flush draw.
Only this time a 1/2 pot raise doesn't scare me off.
I see another card before folding or hit my flush and get no more bets.

The KTs looks pretty, but (who said this?) you can cut your arm off with that thing! I overvalued it and it bit me. I'm definitely getting better and starting to recognize this.

ilikeaces suggestst the solution is: don't play them! Does everyone agree with this? It sounds reasonable, but Tyson's guide also says this is a limpable hand from most positions.
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