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young707

01-25-2012, 11:27 PM Post subject: is there bet strategy for online THP

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is there betting strategy for online Texas Hold'em Poker?

For example, what to bet when I hold two aces?

Is there different when it is five, four & three handed online games?

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01-25-2012, 11:34 PM

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always fold AA pre to avoid the online poker curse

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01-26-2012, 12:21 AM

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a very general rule for preflop is to just open for 3 times the big blind and add one big blind for every limper in the pot. of course this isn't always going to have the highest expectation, but it gives you an idea of a generally standard size that you can adjust from. also if there's a raise before you standard 3 bet sizing is ~3x in position and 3.5-4x out of position.

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01-26-2012, 12:32 AM

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Be careful about strictly following a rule too. Lets say you always limp your suited connectors but do 3xbb + 1bb every limper with AK, AA & KK. A good player over not to long will work that out & play his hand with a reasonable knowledge of what you hold.

By betting methodically you are giving away information. If you play at low stakes however you can ignore this completely. Anyone with VPIP >40% = no clue & will pretty much call your AA for 8bb happily then perhaps call the shove when their 6 with a J kicker hits on the flop. Work those guys out & prosper.

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01-26-2012, 12:33 AM

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So, you are saying, if big blind is $10, then, with 5 handed game, bet $30 if all check?

If there a strategy & probability chart online for different hands?

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01-26-2012, 12:36 AM

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So, you are saying, if big blind is $10, then, with 5 handed game, bet $30 if all check?

If there a strategy & probability chart online for different hands?

raise* to $30 if all fold* (before you, preflop)
pokerstove is cool tool to look at how different hands match up against different ranges if you want to play around with it

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01-26-2012, 12:59 AM

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Any T, J, Q or K with an A is "pontoon" or "blackjack". And you shouldn't buy the insurance. If you have AA, I'd split them

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01-26-2012, 05:35 AM

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So, you are saying, if big blind is $10, then, with 5 handed game, bet $30 if all check?

If there a strategy & probability chart online for different hands?

Q 1. Yes, 3bb is 3x big blind.
Q 2. Yes. Google is your friend.

To be honest, the question isn't as easy as, "Do this".

You need to consider your relative position at the table, the number of people who have bet so far, the number of people in the table, what was the bet, what type of player who already bet is like, etc, etc...

For example, lets say you've been on the table around 20 hands. You have seen a player limp every hand except about 5. That means they have a VPIP of around 75%. Your action to their limp will be based on the fact they have a very wide range (IE the cards they have could be extremely varied).

Compare that to someone who you've only seen play 1 hand in the past 20. Now that's about 5%. That says they are tight & will probably be holding something very solid in their hand.

20 hands is a VERY LOW SAMPLE. But you can safely say they play differently (and there's a good mathematical description why in these forums, look at the stickies)

Now suppose you have QQ in your hand and you're on the button (last to act post flop). Happily 3bet raise the 1st guy, you most likely have him dominated.

Against opponent # 2 you need to be more careful. Their range is probably more likely to be TT+, AJs+, AQo+. In other words, your QQ could be a disaster if an A or a K lands as this hits his range. Now in this instance, the 3 bet gives you information. If he calls, he's got something reasonable in his hand. If he doesn't have, he'll often fold given he's playing tight.

How would bet size matter? Well if you only min bet to 2 big blinds & the pot is already there's already his limp, the big blind & small blind = 1.5 (blinds) + 1 (his limp) + 2 (your bet) = 4.5.

So what happens to the people after your "min raise".

1st, Small blind.
Now the small blind needs to bet 1.5 to match into the 6 total pot (after his call). 1.5 / 6.5 = 23% ( around 4 to 1). IE he doesn't need to bet a great deal and can play much wider hands (as the payoff is decent for the call).

2nd Big blind.
(Assume SB folded)
He needs to add 1 into the pot to match your raise. So he's betting 1 to win 6.5 (blinds 1.5 + limp 1+ your bet 2 + his call 2).

So what are his odds? Even better! His % bet is 1 / 6.5 = 15% (or 6.5 to 1) - those are excellent odds and he could play just about any 2 cards in his hand.

The original limper is in exactly the same position as the big blind (except he's last to act but ignore that for now).

So now you bet 3x bb plus 1 blind for the limper. You end up betting 4bb here. The pot is now:

blinds 1.5 + limper 1 + your bet 4 (1 limp + 3 bb) so total = 6.5 blinds.

Now the small blind has to pay 2.5 to win 9. IE 28% (about 3.5 to 1). It's just that little bit harder to call so the villain needs a stronger hand.

You should really try to get your hands on a poker book like Harrington on cash vol 1 & 2 or his internet poker book (which although dated is actually pretty useful). In my experience, if you look online you can often get some really ordinary advice from the poker strategy websites but these forums are good. 2+2 are good too. If you're new to the game, most people start off playing way to loose, you put money in the pot with little or no chance of winning.

There's also some good coaching sites around (check out Grinders - excellent videos). There's even guys that will coach you here (that's for money).

(If you're checking this out Bikes, I haven't forgotten our 30 mins but the Bangkok flooding knocked me out of my house for 6 weeks and then I went back to Australia for a month on holidays. Back now refreshed!)

I have a caveat - I am no expert AT ALL. I play for fun and have only probably got around 250,000 hands played thus far. (lost count as I raged & deleted my full tilt records). That said over my last 100,000 hands I'm only just profitable at 1.8BB / 100. This includes my attempt to move up to $20nl & getting my arse smacked back down.

I got from being a total fish to 'ok, just' by taking advice from these guys here (the good ones, not the retards who are sarcastic & of little help), reading A LOT, getting my head around tilt, analysing my play at least once a week (and asking others to review by posting my hands & sharing my hand history).

So good luck. It's only maths made easy & fun

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young707

01-26-2012, 05:23 PM

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OK. Thank you for your advises.

Is situation any different for online Live Texas Holdem'? Is there some kind of chart of probability percentages?

Is 5 hand, 4 hand & 3 hand any different?

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