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ponyboy
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10-11-2008, 01:40 PM
Post subject: Theory with AA preflop
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Just a quick question. I have read that AA is worse off against two opponents than just one.
Therefore, if you have AA preflop, one guy limps in EP, one guy raises in MP, better to reraise hard to try to drive the limper out and isolate the original raiser, or try to keep then both in the hand?
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xX zorrito Xx
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you re raise the crap out of the pot... don't let the limper an easy chance to catch a set with a low or mid pocket pair...
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spoonitnow
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Raise as much as you would with any other hand in your raising range. If you start raising different amounts with different hands then it becomes obvious what you have.
Also, keep in mind that while you may win the pot a little less, you win a lot more money on average since more money gets put in with multiple people.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Rule # 1: don't ask questions
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Vrax
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
If you start raising different amounts with different hands then it becomes obvious what you have....
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...which isn't much of a concern when playing against retarded non-thinking players.
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Vrax
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
If you start raising different amounts with different hands then it becomes obvious what you have....
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...which isn't much of a concern when playing against retarded non-thinking players. |
If the opponents were so retarded then the topic would have never came up.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
If you start raising different amounts with different hands then it becomes obvious what you have.
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Not necessarily. You can balance your raise amounts.
So say you have two standards, "high" raise and "low raise"
whatever the exact amount those two are
raise "high" with bluffs and AA/KK
raise "low" with medium strength hands
and 20% of the time do the opposite
then you're raising the amount you want 80% of the time, and your raises are not easy to read since your range is still just as wide
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Gefunkt
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Originally Posted by iopq
and 20% of the time do the opposite
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What do you use to randomly pick 20%? I've heard of using an analog clock with a sweep second hand, and I've also heard of using the suit of the first card on the flop.
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bjsaust
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Seeing a flop 3-way with AA isnt a disaster. Make a standard 3-bet and play some postflops.
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Just playing to improve.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
If you start raising different amounts with different hands then it becomes obvious what you have.
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Not necessarily. You can balance your raise amounts.
So say you have two standards, "high" raise and "low raise"
whatever the exact amount those two are
raise "high" with bluffs and AA/KK
raise "low" with medium strength hands
and 20% of the time do the opposite
then you're raising the amount you want 80% of the time, and your raises are not easy to read since your range is still just as wide |
The point is that if you raise one amount with AA and another amount with everything else then people know when you have AA, but you already knew that.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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senchao
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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3-handed is not too bad, you can extract some value. However, I'd 3-bet the initial raise.
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