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Old 01-23-2006, 12:55 AM     Post subject: Taunting fish = -EV #1 (permalink)  
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 Alright so I'm kind of laughing about this, but I have a quck hand/story to tell you guys about. I'm actually kind of (very) embarrassed about it, but it affects your image at the table, how people percieve you, etc., and it's definately a mistake you should avoid.

Just sat down, 4-tabling pokerstars NL100 full ring, already dropped a buyin or so to some nice bluffs/bad situations/poor play/people limping 48s to turn a flush on you/etc. Looking back, I'm already a bit on tilt I think. Then this doozy comes up.

I get AKo UTG 9 handed table, raise to 4x. All folds, fish thats about $60 deep calls from the BB. Flop 337. Check, I bet $6, fish min-raises. I call. Turn J. He checks. Pot is around the same as his stack size.. about $30. I put him all-in. He thinks and calls with AQ. River Q.

In my rage the chat box went something like this:

Lukie: omfg
Lukie: are you ****ing kidding me?
Lukie: i've never seen a worse ****ing call in my life

Then a few hands later, I'm fortunate to hit a boat and I destack the same fish who happened to hit trips. Of course along those few hands he had lost a good chunk of change that he took from me, but these things happen. He was Awful.

Lukie: thanks for my money back retard.

And he left...
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 01-23-2006, 12:52 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Your A high bluff got called by A high. lol
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:07 PM     Post subject: Re: Taunting fish = -EV #4 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Alright so I'm kind of laughing about this, but I have a quck hand/story to tell you guys about. I'm actually kind of (very) embarrassed about it, but it affects your image at the table, how people percieve you, etc., and it's definately a mistake you should avoid.

Just sat down, 4-tabling pokerstars NL100 full ring, already dropped a buyin or so to some nice bluffs/bad situations/poor play/people limping 48s to turn a flush on you/etc. Looking back, I'm already a bit on tilt I think. Then this doozy comes up.

I get AKo UTG 9 handed table, raise to 4x. All folds, fish thats about $60 deep calls from the BB. Flop 337. Check, I bet $6, fish min-raises. I call. Turn J. He checks. Pot is around the same as his stack size.. about $30. I put him all-in. He thinks and calls with AQ. River Q.

In my rage the chat box went something like this:

Lukie: omfg
Lukie: are you ****ing kidding me?
Lukie: i've never seen a worse ****ing call in my life

Then a few hands later, I'm fortunate to hit a boat and I destack the same fish who happened to hit trips. Of course along those few hands he had lost a good chunk of change that he took from me, but these things happen. He was Awful.

Lukie: thanks for my money back retard.

And he left...
Your chat should go like this

Lukie: nh, Prof Oak said I could cath Magikarp with the old rod
Fishy McFish: Pokemon fagoot
Lukie: Yeah, I like 89os alot, it's the nizzles
Fishy McFish:Esp Suited
Lukie:Yeah I play ne two suited, charmander told me too
FishyMcFish:STFU f.ag

and let him continue to donk his chips and let them come back to you with interest.
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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out of interest what made you fire a second barrel against such a fish thats likely to call with a crappy TP/overpair and unlikely to be pushed off?

also how often do you call a min c/r of your cont bet when unimproved?
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Old 01-23-2006, 03:57 PM     Post subject: Re: Taunting fish = -EV #6 (permalink)  
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Alright so I'm kind of laughing about this, but I have a quck hand/story to tell you guys about. I'm actually kind of (very) embarrassed about it, but it affects your image at the table, how people percieve you, etc., and it's definately a mistake you should avoid.

Just sat down, 4-tabling pokerstars NL100 full ring, already dropped a buyin or so to some nice bluffs/bad situations/poor play/people limping 48s to turn a flush on you/etc. Looking back, I'm already a bit on tilt I think. Then this doozy comes up.

I get AKo UTG 9 handed table, raise to 4x. All folds, fish thats about $60 deep calls from the BB. Flop 337. Check, I bet $6, fish min-raises. I call. Turn J. He checks. Pot is around the same as his stack size.. about $30. I put him all-in. He thinks and calls with AQ. River Q.

In my rage the chat box went something like this:

Lukie: omfg
Lukie: are you ****ing kidding me?
Lukie: i've never seen a worse ****ing call in my life

Then a few hands later, I'm fortunate to hit a boat and I destack the same fish who happened to hit trips. Of course along those few hands he had lost a good chunk of change that he took from me, but these things happen. He was Awful.

Lukie: thanks for my money back retard.

And he left...
Your chat should go like this

Lukie: nh, Prof Oak said I could cath Magikarp with the old rod
Fishy McFish: Pokemon fagoot
Lukie: Yeah, I like 89os alot, it's the nizzles
Fishy McFish:Esp Suited
Lukie:Yeah I play ne two suited, charmander told me too
FishyMcFish:STFU f.ag

and let him continue to donk his chips and let them come back to you with interest.

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Old 01-23-2006, 05:30 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Lukie: omfg
Lukie: are you ****ing kidding me?
Lukie: i've never seen a worse ****ing call in my life

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I just make sure i play against him every day. Tough if he leaves this table after he gets abused..
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Old 01-23-2006, 06:36 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Your A high bluff got called by A high. lol
My A high was better
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Old 01-23-2006, 06:38 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Your chat should go like this

Lukie: nh, Prof Oak said I could cath Magikarp with the old rod
Fishy McFish: Pokemon fagoot
Lukie: Yeah, I like 89os alot, it's the nizzles
Fishy McFish:Esp Suited
Lukie:Yeah I play ne two suited, charmander told me too
FishyMcFish:STFU f.ag

and let him continue to donk his chips and let them come back to you with interest.
couldn't agree more...

And um, 89os is the shyt. Don't believe me? I'll dig up the hand history some time...
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Old 01-23-2006, 06:42 PM #10 (permalink)  
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out of interest what made you fire a second barrel against such a fish thats likely to call with a crappy TP/overpair and unlikely to be pushed off?

also how often do you call a min c/r of your cont bet when unimproved?
Meh, I dunno. The proper play is obviously to just dump my A high to the check min-raise, and it's something I almost always do. Calling here was just me being stubborn and wanting to play my position and seeing what he'd do on the turn. After he checks the turn, I was very confident that he didn't have shit, and he only has to fold there every other time...

Hand should go like this: I raise to 4x, 1 caller from BB, flop comes rags, he checks, I fire out 2/3 pottie: I'm done with the hand if I don't get a fold.. unless of course he calls and a K or A hits the turn.
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Old 01-23-2006, 07:40 PM #11 (permalink)  
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i think its a mistake to retroactively assign fish status to players. the second he made the call for the rest of his stack you probably thought,

'shit, he really does have have 88. well at least i have six outs'

when you make a play where the only call beats you, i think it takes a lot of moxie to call the other guy a fish.
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Old 01-23-2006, 07:54 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Your A high bluff got called by A high. lol
Had this happen to me a couple nights ago and he still sucked out on me! 85% favorite when all the money went in...

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Old 01-27-2006, 04:02 AM #13 (permalink)  
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I think everynow and then it's ok to scream and go out for blood.....I sometimes poke fun at some people at the low limit PR skins.....course I like my +EV conditions so I usually compliment them when needed.
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Old 01-29-2006, 04:37 AM     Post subject: Re: Taunting fish = -EV #14 (permalink)  
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Lukie: omfg
Lukie: are you ****ing kidding me?
Lukie: i've never seen a worse ****ing call in my life

Then a few hands later, I'm fortunate to hit a boat and I destack the same fish who happened to hit trips. Of course along those few hands he had lost a good chunk of change that he took from me, but these things happen. He was Awful.

Lukie: thanks for my money back retard.

And he left...
heh that sounds familiar i think maybe i was at the same table when that happened
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Old 01-29-2006, 09:03 AM #15 (permalink)  
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Sometimes, I get really really sarcastic, but they usually don't catch on.

"Wow, what a great play, all you needed was one more card for your straight, of course you're supposed to call, it's only 30 bucks, congratulations!"
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:24 AM     Post subject: Re: Taunting fish = -EV #16 (permalink)  
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Lukie: omfg
Lukie: are you ****ing kidding me?
Lukie: i've never seen a worse ****ing call in my life

Then a few hands later, I'm fortunate to hit a boat and I destack the same fish who happened to hit trips. Of course along those few hands he had lost a good chunk of change that he took from me, but these things happen. He was Awful.

Lukie: thanks for my money back retard.

And he left...
heh that sounds familiar i think maybe i was at the same table when that happened
yup...

POKERSTARS GAME #3724459026: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/01/22 - 20:28:18 (ET)
Table 'Mabella' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: ericm80 ($40.30 in chips)
Seat 3: Mult336 ($296.45 in chips)
Seat 4: darrenelias ($131.35 in chips)
Seat 5: SkoJumpin ($38.50 in chips)
Seat 6: bigredhoss ($103.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Simba2000 ($46.15 in chips)
Seat 8: DocPokerDDS ($165.85 in chips)
Seat 9: Lukieplaya ($98.50 in chips)
Simba2000: posts small blind $0.50
DocPokerDDS: posts big blind $1
flashdance78: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [Kh As]
Lukieplaya: raises $3 to $4
ericm80: folds
Mult336: folds
darrenelias: folds
SkoJumpin: folds
bigredhoss: folds
Simba2000: calls $3.50
DocPokerDDS: folds
*** FLOP *** [3d 7s 3s]
Simba2000: checks
Lukieplaya: bets $6
Simba2000: raises $6 to $12
Lukieplaya: calls $6
*** TURN *** [3d 7s 3s] [Jh]
Simba2000: checks
Lukieplaya: bets $30.15
Simba2000: calls $30.15 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [3d 7s 3s Jh] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Simba2000: shows [Ad Qd] (two pair, Queens and Threes)
Lukieplaya said, "omfg"
Lukieplaya: mucks hand
Simba2000 collected $90.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $93.30 | Rake $3
Board [3d 7s 3s Jh Qs]
Seat 2: ericm80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mult336 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: darrenelias folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SkoJumpin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bigredhoss (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Simba2000 (small blind) showed [Ad Qd] and won ($90.30) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 8: DocPokerDDS (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Lukieplaya mucked [Kh As]
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:26 AM #17 (permalink)  
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 sweet, sweet revenge...

POKERSTARS GAME #3724505014: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/01/22 - 20:32:07 (ET)
Table 'Mabella' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: flashdance78 ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 2: ericm80 ($36.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Mult336 ($296.95 in chips)
Seat 4: darrenelias ($131.35 in chips)
Seat 5: SkoJumpin ($38.50 in chips)
Seat 6: bigredhoss ($103.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Simba2000 ($91.30 in chips)
Seat 8: DocPokerDDS ($164.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Lukieplaya ($99.50 in chips)
Mult336: posts small blind $0.50
darrenelias: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [Ks Qs]
SkoJumpin: folds
bigredhoss: calls $1
Simba2000: raises $1 to $2
DocPokerDDS: folds
Lukieplaya: calls $2
flashdance78: folds
ericm80: calls $2
Mult336: folds
darrenelias: folds
bigredhoss: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Tc Kd Qh]
bigredhoss: checks
Simba2000: bets $10
Lukieplaya: raises $20 to $30
ericm80: folds
bigredhoss: folds
Simba2000: calls $20
*** TURN *** [Tc Kd Qh] [Kc]
Simba2000: bets $10
Lukieplaya: raises $57.50 to $67.50 and is all-in
Simba2000: calls $49.30 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Tc Kd Qh Kc] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Simba2000: shows [Kh Ad] (three of a kind, Kings)
Lukieplaya: shows [Ks Qs] (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
Lukieplaya collected $185.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $188.10 | Rake $3
Board [Tc Kd Qh Kc 9d]
Seat 1: flashdance78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ericm80 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Mult336 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: darrenelias (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: SkoJumpin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bigredhoss folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Simba2000 showed [Kh Ad] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 8: DocPokerDDS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Lukieplaya showed [Ks Qs] and won ($185.10) with a full house, Kings full of Queens
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Old 02-05-2006, 04:29 PM     Post subject: Re: Taunting fish = -EV #18 (permalink)  
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