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Old 08-06-2009, 04:31 PM     Post subject: Taking Notes and Playing against different types #1 (permalink)  
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I know taking notes and playing the players is important, but I would really love some more insight on this topic. Things like what I should take notes on, and how I use those notes to my advantage. Currently, I usually only notice the really obvious things like someone is playing super tight and I won't play marginal hands against them, or if they slowplay alot of nuts, i'll slow down, or if they bet everything, i might be more inclined to call.
What other things should I be looking for? And how can i use them to my advantage?
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Old 08-06-2009, 04:48 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I note how villains play certain hands and in what position, whether they like suited crap, limp with big hands, bluff a lot, betting patterns, donk bets, slowplay, raise draws, etc, etc, etc.
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Old 08-06-2009, 05:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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On the internet we have a few different ways of reading opponents, which is stuff you want to take notes on.

1. Categorize them on what type of player they are. (i.e. reg, noobie, nit, shark, casual player, speculative, etc)
2. General tendencies of player. (loose, aggressive, tight, etc)
3. What level they think on. (i.e. it's useless to try to manipulate what he might be thinking you might be thinking if he never tries to figure out what you are thinking, that is he is on level 0)
4. Specific reads you pick up from the way they play hands. (i.e. He checked a made flush on the turn OOP, played a OESD aggressively on the flop, etc)

p.s. This is mostly from The Poker Mindset, I highly recommend this book, it is pure win.
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Old 08-06-2009, 05:40 PM #4 (permalink)  
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On the internet we have a few different ways of reading opponents, which is stuff you want to take notes on.

1. Categorize them on what type of player they are. (i.e. reg, noobie, nit, shark, casual player, speculative, etc)
2. General tendencies of player. (loose, aggressive, tight, etc)
3. What level they think on. (i.e. it's useless to try to manipulate what he might be thinking you might be thinking if he never tries to figure out what you are thinking, that is he is on level 0)
4. Specific reads you pick up from the way they play hands. (i.e. He checked a made flush on the turn OOP, played a OESD aggressively on the flop, etc)

p.s. This is mostly from The Poker Mindset, I highly recommend this book, it is pure win.
watch spendas 4 tabling 5nl video, he does a great job of emphasizing notes and showing how to use them to your advantage
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Old 08-06-2009, 05:51 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Classic 2p2 post on taking notes - if not allowed, mods feel free to delete...

Taking Notes and Making Reads

Taking Notes and Making Reads Pt. 2
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Old 08-06-2009, 06:03 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 I typically take notes on the following:

- what their pfr's mean (size wise) sometimes players min raise w/ AA, sometimes they bet 10Xbb w/ AA....
- How much faith they put in TP type hands....did they call large value bets for 3 streets? Did they shove w/ TP 9 kicker? etc...
- Do they slowplay big hands (sets+)....
- Do they call FD's or straight draws with improper odds...
- Do they bet small on flop and turn then bet large on river with TPTK or 2 pair type hands....

Basically anything that allows me to get into their head to see how they are playing...
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:00 PM #7 (permalink)  
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On the internet we have a few different ways of reading opponents, which is stuff you want to take notes on.

1. Categorize them on what type of player they are. (i.e. reg, noobie, nit, shark, casual player, speculative, etc)
2. General tendencies of player. (loose, aggressive, tight, etc)
3. What level they think on. (i.e. it's useless to try to manipulate what he might be thinking you might be thinking if he never tries to figure out what you are thinking, that is he is on level 0)
4. Specific reads you pick up from the way they play hands. (i.e. He checked a made flush on the turn OOP, played a OESD aggressively on the flop, etc)

p.s. This is mostly from The Poker Mindset, I highly recommend this book, it is pure win.
watch spendas 4 tabling 5nl video, he does a great job of emphasizing notes and showing how to use them to your advantage
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:10 PM #8 (permalink)  
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One way of thinking about the note issue is to just ask yourself, what information (besides HUD statistics) would you like to know about a player?

Well, pre-flop, you'd like to know what various actions mean. What's his raising range? His 3-betting range? 4-betting? Does he ever limp-re-raise? With what? Does he ever limp or check a big hand?

So, every time he raises, limp-re-raises, or re-raises, and you find out later what he had, take a note. If he had a big hand pre-flop and DIDN'T raise, make a note. Note what position he was in and the size of the raise (in no limit) as well. (Some players vary the size of their raises and that can be a tell.)

Post-flop, we are mostly interested in what his betting patterns will tell you about the strength of his hand.

So every time a player gets caught bluffing, take a note with as much information as you can-- position, players in the pot, pre-flop action, what he actually had (semi-bluff or stone cold bluff?). Every time a player calls a bluff, take a similar note.

When a player has a big hand, how does the player bet it. Again, take down as much information as you can whenever a player shows down a big hand. Did the player slow play? Wait a street? Check-raise? Ram and jam?

When a player plays like a fish and calls another player who obviously had a big hand, take that down-- that can come in handy for value betting.

Other things you want to know:

How does a player play top pair top kicker?
How does a player play top pair no kicker?
How often does the player fire continuation bets after pre-flop raises? How often does the player do this when missing the flop (evidenced either by a lost showdown or a later fold)?

Take notes on bet sizing too-- what does a pot-sized bet signify for this player? A more than pot-sized bet? 2/3 of the pot? 1/2 the pot? Does the player ever experiment with more unusual bet sizes, such as min-raises, 1/4-pot bets, or ridiculous shoves?

Timing tells are important as well. When the player hits the time bank, take a note. See if you can figure out what the player was doing. Hollywooding? Making a difficult decision with a draw or an iffy hand.

Speaking of draws, how does the player bet draws? Lots of semi-bluffs? Take them down. Check-call, take it down. Does the player bluff missed draws? Does the player represent straights and flushes that he doesn't have?

There's a million more things, of course. But the idea is that if it's information that could be useful to you later, take it down.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:47 PM #9 (permalink)  
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On the internet we have a few different ways of reading opponents, which is stuff you want to take notes on.

1. Categorize them on what type of player they are. (i.e. reg, noobie, nit, shark, casual player, speculative, etc)
2. General tendencies of player. (loose, aggressive, tight, etc)
3. What level they think on. (i.e. it's useless to try to manipulate what he might be thinking you might be thinking if he never tries to figure out what you are thinking, that is he is on level 0)
4. Specific reads you pick up from the way they play hands. (i.e. He checked a made flush on the turn OOP, played a OESD aggressively on the flop, etc)

p.s. This is mostly from The Poker Mindset, I highly recommend this book, it is pure win.
watch spendas 4 tabling 5nl video, he does a great job of emphasizing notes and showing how to use them to your advantage
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:14 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Ok, thanks for all the help, thats all really helpful.
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:18 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 tl:dr. there doesnt need to be this much info for taking notes.

Opponent does x. We can exploit x. Take a note.
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