www.flopturnriver.com

Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

Already Registered? Username: Password: Remember Forgot Password
Tweet

Suited connectors and A-crap sooted

LinkBack

Thread Tools

Display Modes

taipan168

05-15-2007, 02:23 AM Post subject: Suited connectors and A-crap sooted

#1 (permalink)

Administrator
Administrator

Join Date: Jul 2005

Location: Sydney

Posts: 10,441

taipan168 is an unknown quantity at this point

I know that specific answers depend on a lot of different factors, but in general what is your general strategy with suited connectors and A-crap sooted in the following situations? Assume 50NL, full ring.

1. You are UTG+1 and pick up 98s. Fold, call or raise?

2. You are UTG+1 and pick up A4s. Fold, call or raise?

3. You are in the CO and pick up T9s, tight MP1 player with a full stack raises to 4x BB, all fold to you. Fold or call?

4. You are on the button and pick up A5s, LAgg MP1 player with a full stack raises to 3x BB, all fold to you. Fold or call?

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!

meeloche

05-15-2007, 03:15 AM

#2 (permalink)

Join Date: Feb 2007

Posts: 2,131

1. Fold 80% raise 20%
2. Fold 80% raise 20%
3. Fold, if we're both deep i might call 1o-20% of the time
4. call 60% fold 40%

I am fairly lagg myself which should be evident by my given answers. I don't play full ring much but if i did that would probably be how i'd play them for six max i'd loosen up those standards oviously.

Jimmy Mac

05-15-2007, 03:38 AM

#3 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: May 2005

Location: Drinking your milkshake.

Posts: 950

Nice post. I fold all of these pretty much every single time lol. I run around 14/8 in full ring FWIW.

1 and 2 ) I can see raising the suited stuff under the gun simetimes purely as a balancing play (throw them in for shania), but in isolation I dont think there's value raising these hands out of early position.

3) If our read is good and stacks are deep then I guess a call is OK. I rarely call here, but if you're a good player postflop I can't see it being terribly wrong. I think calling just on the basis of implied odds is bad though - we need to be willing to play back light sometimes. Waiting for 2 pair plus or a big draw wont do it.

4) I pretty much never call here vs anyone, but then I play very tight in raised pots. I generally wait for a pp or a hand I can reraise with before getting involved with the lag. Calling to try and hit the flop sucks IMO. I'd be interested to here others views on all of these though.

Miffed22001

05-15-2007, 03:53 AM

#4 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Jun 2005

Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!

Posts: 8,181

70/30 fold/raise for scs
40/60 fold raise for Axs

i always call here. Tighties like to pay.

4 is a 20/80.

fwiw, we need to call sometimes so that when we bluff at the hands we suggest, then we can be found to have them sometimes, otherwise our balance is wrong.

The added bonus is that when we raise non premium hands oop a little, we get more repect for c-bets becuase we may have caught a pair and dont always have missed AJ etc.

zook

05-15-2007, 04:03 AM

#5 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2006

Posts: 3,676

Haven't played at 50NL in a long time... do most players fold to pre-flop raises and those who don't usually fold to c-bets? That's how most of 200NL full-ring plays and I raise a lot pre-flop to take advantage. If 50NL is looser pre- and post-flop (as I imagine it is) I don't think there's much value in raising in 1 & 2. I always call in 3. You have a chance to stack a tight player, or outplay him if he don't hit the flop. It's an easier call if you have the right post-flop reads on him (always c-bets, doesn't second barrel, stacks off with KK+ no matter what, won't felt a one pair hand, etc.). In 4 I like a call b/c you're probably close to even with his range, it's a small raise and you have position.

taipan168

05-15-2007, 05:52 AM

#6 (permalink)

Administrator
Administrator

Join Date: Jul 2005

Location: Sydney

Posts: 10,441

Quote:

Originally Posted by zook

I haven't played above 50NL (I guess I should with a $3K roll but meh). Most players seem to play the way you describe - folding to preflop raises and if they flat call, folding to flop c-bets. 3-bet them preflop and they mostly fold like cheap suits thinking you always have AA or KK. Still plenty of donkeys though. I've really only played at FT and Stars though.

pgil

05-15-2007, 11:57 AM

#7 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Jun 2005

Posts: 1,103

I think that #3 is dependent on what the button and blinds are like. If the button/blinds are likely to come along for the ride if there is already a caller then calling seems really bad. We will be out of position and will be acting after the pf raiser with up to 3 others behind us.

We would need to hit the flop really hard in order to continue without a good read on the other three that will likely be in the hand.

"If you can't say f*ck, you can't say f*ck the government" - Lenny Bruce

Pants_101

05-15-2007, 12:08 PM

#8 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Jun 2006

Location: Nottingham UK

Posts: 442

I would call 3 although I'd rather be on the button. I always look to exploit tight full stack raises if I can. If the flop comes low but misses me I sometimes raise their c-bet and often get folds. I only play $10NL though

Must get more aggressive - Tonight we dine in $25NL! rah rah rah! etc

jyms

05-15-2007, 03:37 PM

#9 (permalink)

Tilting Mod

Join Date: Feb 2006

Posts: 4,836

1) and 2) are folds 90%+ but I may start to raise suited connectors if my stats start to look too tight, like 10/8/4 over 50 or 60 hands.

3) I call, reraise or fold depending on Tight players raising range. If he's 15/3 I fold, if he's 15/15 I reraise. If he's beatable post flop I will see the flop.

4) I may Reraise this again depending on the Laggs raising range but I fold almost 90%+++

YouTube - Classified - "Oh... Canada" [Official Video]

JeffreyGB

05-16-2007, 04:04 AM

#10 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Dec 2004

Location: Jenks, OK

Posts: 3,477

Nothing I say is tailored to any level. I think it might be a bit of FPS at 100NL, so at 50NL that's likely at least as true. I don't know the levels enough to change accordingly, however.

1 & 2. Fold unless I have a reason to raise. Table dynamics, weak play, etc.

3. I call about 60% here. Fold and raise about 20% each.

4. Fold 70%. Raise 20%. Call ~10%.

In general, I don't like calling much. I'm basically looking for a pot-odds-based reason to call. Short of that, I'm folding or raising most of the time.

I run a training site...

Check out strategy videos at GrinderSchool.com, from $10 / month.

Da GOAT

05-16-2007, 08:37 AM

#11 (permalink)

Straight Flush

Join Date: Feb 2006

Location: Dublin

Posts: 4,308

as others have said.

With Axs tho i prefer to call when there are others in the pot too. Its hard to get paid off when a flush shows on the board. Remember though that PF isnt a MAJOR part of the game like in SNGs so dont get to caught up in worrying about PF moves, postflop is where it is all at.

Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.

gingerwizard

05-16-2007, 10:01 AM

#12 (permalink)

4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Sep 2006

Posts: 1,815

gingerwizard is an unknown quantity at this point

What GOAT said.

I'm nearly always calling 4 if i think i am better than the other guy post flop. Position plus a reasonable holding is exactly what im looking to take to a flop. I think you'll show a profit with this hand.

Again I like to call 3 quite often if i think the button folds a wide range because of the reasons I stated above.

This is not my signature. I just write this at the bottom of every post.

OarChambo

05-17-2007, 08:35 AM Post subject: Re: Suited connectors and A-crap sooted

#13 (permalink)

Join Date: Jul 2006

Location: Bowling Green, OHIO

Posts: 22

1. You are UTG+1 and pick up 98s. Fold, call or raise?
2. You are UTG+1 and pick up A4s. Fold, call or raise?

I try my best to go 50/25/25 fold/call/raise, I play small pp's similarly...probably closer to 33/33/33 with small pp's though

3. You are in the CO and pick up T9s, tight MP1 player with a full stack raises to 4x BB, all fold to you. Fold or call?

Depends how deep of a stack I have how often I call this raise. I'd try for 75/25 fold/call, although I really like T9s and 98s.

4. You are on the button and pick up A5s, LAgg MP1 player with a full stack raises to 3x BB, all fold to you. Fold or call?[/quote]

25/75 fold/call [the greater my stack the greater the chance I call], it's all about position once you're heads up.

"I don't gamble, I invest."

djzcko

05-18-2007, 08:02 PM

#14 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Jun 2005

Posts: 285

My basic game plan is to limp sooted connectors and a-rag sooted in EP and MP and riase them at CO and Button. I adjust this according to the table dynamics as necessary. If the table is super tight, I raise them in any position. If it is loose and aggressive, I'll limp them and look to hit 2 pr + on the flop or flush/str8 draw. I have found that a flush tends to get paid off in $50nl 6 max so although it is "obvious" that I have the flush, villain still calls me down because it's 6 max and a lot of players think you are bluffing all the time. Villains are also more than willing to stack off with a baby flush so I have won more than my share of flush over flush hands for stacks.

Ragnar4

05-18-2007, 10:52 PM

#15 (permalink)

Full House

Join Date: Sep 2005

Location: Billings, Montana

Posts: 1,284

Ok, Question.

Why is it in Super System, Doyle Brunson says:
For situations 1, and 3, He'll see the flop EVERY time as long as he isn't committing more than 5%-10% of his stack. If he's on a hot-streak, he'll commit as much as 20% of his stack.

As for how I play it? I suck at no limit, so it really doesn't matter how I play it.

Although, #4 I'm only coming after him, if I think he's on tilt, and will raise with any two face cards. Because even if I catch an Ace I still can't be certain I'm ahead against a lagg player because he's going to c-bet reguardless of the flop about 90% of the time. So even if you catch your ace, he's going to tell you with his bet "I've got the ace" You're left with calling down, or re-raising and hoping that he doesn't have a better ace and deciding to call you down.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

Latest Poker News
KoRnholio	05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ... more at Poker Blogs »

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off Trackbacks are On Pingbacks are On Refbacks are On Forum Rules

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:42 AM.

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum

This is not a gambling website.

Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

Poker Forum

Beginners Circle

Suited connectors and A-crap sooted

Play for FREE and practice your game at...