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eragotte
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01-16-2010, 02:03 PM
Post subject: Suited aces below A9
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So in the micros I have always been raising up A2s to A8s in all positions including utg on most tables. I also usually call up to 3bb raises with them when in the blinds or sometimes 3bet. At 50nl this is seeming to be costly, i was wondering what other people do with these powerful but sometimes tricky hands?
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oskar
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That's not the way I think about poker at all.
I'm never making a plan like "I'm going to do x with x hand in x position". That doesn't make any sense to me.
It depends on stack sizes, opening and folding ranges, post-flop tendencies and so on.
If you have A2s in the blinds against someone who steals 40%, folds 75% against 3-bets and plays fit-or-fold post flop, it's an easy 3-bet. Against a very stationary weaktight player with no positional awareness ATs is an easy fold from the bb vs a steal with ~100bb effective stacks.
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XTR1000
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what oskar said.
Why don´t you guys stop seeking "How-To"-guides? It takes time and you may use your brain, but instead of trying to gather a collection of "do this with that" programs I´d begin to figure out why some things are cool and some aren´t.
Under which circumstances can A4s be profitable UTG? In MP? Vs whom can I profitably flat those in position? Out of position? Heads up? How does my equity correspond to the number of players taking the flop? Where does my value come from? Folding equity? SD worthy pairs? Dominated flushes?
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eragotte
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eh when i ask these questions im not asking a "how to poker!?". one, i dont use hud so its not like i sit down at a table and have instant reads on everyone and two, i more mean early at a table, you sit down at a table and get A4s utg in a table of fullstacks, do you raise? i have been and it seems like low suited aces are all losing for me
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eragotte
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alright this is good though on second read, ty
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Under which circumstances can A4s be profitable UTG? In MP? Vs whom can I profitably flat those in position? Out of position? Heads up? How does my equity correspond to the number of players taking the flop? Where does my value come from? Folding equity? SD worthy pairs? Dominated flushes?
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I like to 3-bet with small suited aces a lot since they have good equity against a lot of 3-bet calling ranges. They are also good to 4-bet light against steal raising monkeys.
Other than that, I steal with them and thats about it.
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Fnord
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Love these hands, but I play better post-flop and with a lower effective rake than you.
I also love to raise a wide range of crap when people let me get away with murder.
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Arjonius
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A rag suited isn't much of a hand. Most of the time, winning more than small pots with it requires either catching big or outplaying your opponent(s). And in the latter case, it doesn't particularly matter what your cards are.
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Fnord
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winning more than small pots.
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I don't like playing AXs aggressively PF as a standard. I prefer to play this hand in late position with several limpers. I would fold the hand in early position and fold to a raise in most positions. You can stack people off with this hand so I like to play the hand when I can see a reasonably priced flop. Open PFRing in late
position is fine.
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eragotte
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I like to 3-bet with small suited aces a lot since they have good equity against a lot of 3-bet calling ranges. They are also good to 4-bet light against steal raising monkeys.
Other than that, I steal with them and thats about it.
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ya that feels like good advice as i think about where i do well with them and where not. button 3betting a co raise with Axs is great. not even that bad for a 5bet shove-semi-bluff if co is monkeying with 4bets haha.
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Love these hands, but I play better post-flop and with a lower effective rake than you.
I also love to raise a wide range of crap when people let me get away with murder.
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mhmm, alright, similar advice, no comment back really but i think from this ima 3bet and raise with them more and pretty much stop calling unless im wayyy better than the raiser
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Fnord
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Flatting with them on the button is fun too.
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I think you answered your own question. You said it seems to be costly. If it is costly, then fold them!
I don't ever open in early position with low suited Aces, which in itself is more than likely a mistake. As there are situations that it could be profitable. However it is a smaller mistake than playing them and bleeding $.
Calling raises with them I would say is also a losing play, unless you are extremely good post flop. You aren't going to win money just on the strength of your hand, so you need to be able to outplay your opponents post flop.
Personally I steal with them, and throw in the odd light 3 bet against the right players if I feel they can be exploited. You have to remember it is a light 3 bet (In the majority of low stakes games) and not get to attached to top pair.
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Originally Posted by oskar
That's not the way I think about poker at all.
I'm never making a plan like "I'm going to do x with x hand in x position". That doesn't make any sense to me.
It depends on stack sizes, opening and folding ranges, post-flop tendencies and so on.
If you have A2s in the blinds against someone who steals 40%, folds 75% against 3-bets and plays fit-or-fold post flop, it's an easy 3-bet. Against a very stationary weaktight player with no positional awareness ATs is an easy fold from the bb vs a steal with ~100bb effective stacks.
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Also what XTR1000 said. Axs are great hands...in the right circumstance. Drawing to the nizzels is always nice. But they are very situational. Why don't you post a couple of your Axs hand in this thread. We can all comment and you tell us what your thought process is on each st ect?
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