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dalecooper
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06-08-2005, 09:12 PM
Post subject: Stupid online discussion
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Help me settle something here, at least in my own mind. Two guys at my table see a flop of Qc 9c x (where x is a low card and not a club). One guy bets hard with QJo... the other guy raises all in with KJ of clubs. QJo makes the call, but the turn brings a club.
Afterward the QJ guy makes a typical snotty remark about getting sucked out on. I can't stop myself from piping up and saying that KJ was actually a favorite on the flop, so it's not really a suckout. This leads to an annoying, circular debate where he says he was "ahead" in the hand and had the "stronger" hand, and yes KJ had to suck out to win - even though he ALSO admits that it was probably a favorite vs. his queens on the flop.
My question then: does this make any kind of sense? To me, the "stronger" hand, the hand that is ahead, is the one with the best chance to win. That's it. Just because he had a made hand instead of a draw doesn't mean to me that he was ahead or had a stronger hand - at least not with two cards to come. Therefore I think the perjorative phrase "sucking out" can be laid to rest; it doesn't apply here.
Am I right or wrong?
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Who. cares?
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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chardrian
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I rarely,if ever, get pms
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Who. cares?
-'rilla
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tcpj4
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2005
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I agree wholeheartedly, to be sucked out on you must be a favorite at one point in the hand. However, I would stay out of dumb discussions like this, atleast at a poker table.
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ChezJ
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Washington, D.C.
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some people dont understand the concept of pot equity. dont bother trying to educate them. ignorance is bliss. just take their fucking money.
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journey075
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
some people dont understand the concept of pot equity. dont bother trying to educate them. ignorance is bliss. just take their fucking money.
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thats so to the point. i love it.
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SinkRox
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Brighton, UK
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22 is ahead of AKs preflop but i know id prefer AKs and consider it a stonger hand
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dalecooper
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Who. cares?
-'rilla
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You. suck.
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