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ponyboy
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05-13-2006, 11:42 PM
Post subject: Stupid laydown or good play?
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Flush
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 379
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Quick HH I just wanted some feedback on.
NL $10 table 10 handed. Dealt 33 in early position so I limp hoping to see a cheap flop. Flop comes down JA3 with two spades (A and J). I'm thinking I'm set with two others involved. First player bets 6xBB, second calls, I raise to 12xBB and they both call. Hmm. Next card is a K spades. Checked around to me, I bet 8xBB again and the next guy raises me to 16xBB. Other guy calls.
First instinct is this guy had 2 pair and hit a monster flush or even a straight. Maybe the other guy did too. So I laid it down.
River card was junk and turns out they both had one pair of ACES!? No flush draw, NOTHING. Pissed me right off. Anyway, any way to play this differently - I think I did everything I should have including laying down with so many scare cards and the aggression from both. Any advice?
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
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You minraise. That is baaaad. If I follow correctly, pot on the flop is $0.30.. first guy bets $0.60, second guy calls.. now the pot is $1.5 and you raise it for $1.2?! That means each of them has to call for only $0.6 more. Make it atleast a decent raise of $2.
And your laydown.. you have a set, even if they have a flush, you still have outs to a boat (full house) on the river, so he minraised you, no need to lay that down either.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
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I agree with everything jackvance said. Reraise more. When they just minraise you you have odds to chase the boat.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
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As said earlier, it's possible you should of raised more to make them pay to draw against you.
Also, it's probably incorrect to fold here because I'm fairly certain you have the pot odds to call based on having 10 outs. Check out the Poker Strategy section on odds if you aren't sure what we're talking about.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
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even if you dont have quite the right pot odds, you definatly have the implied odds. You will stack a flush and probably a straight too if you fill up here.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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crushednuts
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
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Def had the pot odds to call for the boat. Just sigh and call. If they have a flush and you make a boat on the river you can stack them. Implied odds are great. Even if the pot odds were worse I would still at least call. You can't give up the opportunity to take their stack. Just don't get stacked if you don't fill up... I would probably call the river as long as it wasn't another flush card as well if the bet wasn't too big hoping that they didn't have the flush.
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ponyboy
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Flush
Join Date: Jan 2005
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See that's why I ask these questions. I never even considered the full boat option, never mind how many outs I had towards one. Plus you're right about the raise I made. Next time I will think differently. Thanks!
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