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Old 09-04-2008, 08:38 PM     Post subject: Stuff like this puts me on tilt #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #20146187488: Holdem No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/09/04 16:24:42 ET
Table Iocaste V 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: ehweetikveel ($3.87 in chips)
Seat 2: TIFATUFA ($11.21 in chips)
Seat 3: RaSta26 ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Lamb28 ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Nihil_Novi ($3.87 in chips)
Seat 6: MichaelRG ($5.81 in chips)
Seat 7: ponyfitness ($5.76 in chips)
Seat 8: Seville100 ($4.82 in chips)
Seat 9: NoldiNairolf ($2.75 in chips)
RaSta26: posts small blind $0.02
Lamb28: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ponyfitness [Ad Ah]
Nihil_Novi: folds
MichaelRG: raises $0.10 to $0.15
ponyfitness: raises $0.20 to $0.35
Seville100: folds
NoldiNairolf: calls $0.35
ehweetikveel: folds
TIFATUFA: folds
RaSta26: folds
Lamb28: calls $0.30
MichaelRG: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [5s Kh 7c]
RaSta26 leaves the table
Lamb28: bets $0.25
MichaelRG: folds
ponyfitness: raises $1 to $1.25
FATSALI1 joins the table at seat #3
NoldiNairolf: folds
Lamb28: calls $1
*** TURN *** [5s Kh 7c] [8d]
Lamb28: checks
ponyfitness: checks
*** RIVER *** [5s Kh 7c 8d] [3c]
Lamb28: bets $2
ponyfitness: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lamb28: shows [3h Kd] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
ponyfitness: mucks hand
Lamb28 collected $7.57 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.92 | Rake $0.35
Board [5s Kh 7c 8d 3c]
Seat 1: ehweetikveel folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: TIFATUFA (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: RaSta26 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Lamb28 (big blind) showed [3h Kd] and won ($7.57) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 5: Nihil_Novi folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: MichaelRG folded on the Flop
Seat 7: ponyfitness mucked [Ad Ah]
Seat 8: Seville100 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: NoldiNairolf folded on the Flop

I knew he had a K, but K3!? I know I played this hand correctly preflop and on the flop. Turn I know I should have shoved but that would have tilted me even more when he hit that 3.

Why did I check that turn? I'm more pissed at myself than anything but I get really tilted by people who call big bets with shitty hands and then hit their one card on the river. Never mind the 4 callers when I 3 bet preflop even though my table image was rock tight.

I'm sick of winning small pots and losing big ones...I need to figure this out because it keeps on happening.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:00 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 With AA, you should start your betsizing to get it AI by the turn or river preflop. Raise bigger preflop. What he has is almost irrelevant. Don't shove the turn, but bet enough so you only have about 1/2 of the pot left on the river to make this an easy shove.
There's really nothing to it.
Don't get attached to the pot before you get it. Always keep the possibility that you're beat in the back of your head, but realize that you have the best hand often enough to make this the right play.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Addendum to my previous cheese and whine posting with an actual question.

So what is the best way to deal with these loose players? In this session so far I've seen several hands I would never even consider calling anything with, never mind a raise before me. I'm tight, but seeing people call raises with stuff like K3o, J7o, K6o and then getting to the river only to have them turn over low card trips, two pairs, etc when I'm sitting there holding TPTK. Makes me not even want to consider betting unless I have something incredibly premium against these guys.

Is the best strategy to camp out and wait for premium hands to crack them back or to loosen up a bit?
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:11 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Loosen up, but not too much. Against some guys I will value bet 2ndPGK. If they catch it... reload. You'll get them sooner or later.
If someone calls down With highcards - obviously you should loosen up. I think where I see many fellow players go wrong is that they have this weired idea that these guys don't deserve to win any pot, and they keep betting AK high all the way to the river, and when bottom pair calls they scream bloody murder.
Obviously you don't want to semi bluff... or make any kind of bluff.
Also be careful that the betting/raising range of a calling station might be much tighter than their calling down with trash suggests. So bet into them, don't call them unless you see that their raising range is way out there, too.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:21 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Raise like you've got a pair preflop
Raise like you've got a pair on the flop
Bet like you've got a pair on the turn
Calling the river at that point is the only option since you gave him a bazillion free/cheap cards
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Raise like you've got a pair preflop
Raise like you've got a pair on the flop
Bet like you've got a pair on the turn
Calling the river at that point is the only option since you gave him a bazillion free/cheap cards
Thought I did that (raise to .50? I thought more than doubling the former raise was adequate)
Thought I did that (raise to $2? more?)
Turn yes I agree that I donked it.
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:47 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Raise to .50 pre. Bet like 3/4 pot depending on how many callers you got preflop on the flop. Then shove turn
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Old 09-04-2008, 09:50 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Thought I did that (raise to .50? I thought more than doubling the former raise was adequate)
Doubling the original is a minraise. You barely avoided this by tacking on one more bb. The standard is to raise around 3-4x the orignal raise, assuming the original raise was a standard 3-4xbb raise. You would raise more if the original raise already has callers etc. So here you should be raising to $0.45c at the minimum and probably more like $0.50c or so.
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:10 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Only minraise if you definitely don't want any hand to go out. By minraising you're giving them at least 2:1 on a call. There's pretty much no hand you can't call that with.
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Old 09-05-2008, 11:49 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I think you butchered bet sizing preflop and on the flop and burned money by not betting the turn.

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Old 09-05-2008, 01:23 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 bet/bet/bet should be your standard line here. and definitely raise to atleast .50 pre, but at micros you can bet even bigger and still expect a caller or two.
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