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HarleyGuy13
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12-23-2008, 12:10 PM
Post subject: Str8 did I play it correctly?
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,226
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Villian is real loose and just an overall donkey.
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG Hero ($6.31)
UTG+1 PhilippG712 ($5.71)
CO Philly832 ($10.91)
BTN banzai2313 ($3.19)
SB DonkNit ($5.18)
BB ALLINORNOT1 ($6.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.07, 6 players) Hero is UTG  
Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, banzai2313 calls $0.25, 2 folds
Flop:    ($0.57, 2 players)
Hero checks, banzai2313 bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35
Turn:  ($1.27, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, banzai2313 calls $0.60
River:  ($2.47, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, banzai2313 calls $1.20
Final Pot: $4.87
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kettleofish
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Flush
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Helllllo Richard
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As played I'd just put him AI on the river, he will pay u off with any K and T, mebbe even two purr as well if he's a true donkey. I don't like the flop float though unless u know he gives up a lot (which i doubt if he's real loose). C-bet or c/f depending on reads.
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killerkebab
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 149
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We should be cbetting this flop for full pot - when the turn comes you can fire again for more than half pot imo, make it about 2/3rds. All in all it should make a river shove easier.
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JKDS
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 1,024
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i disagree. This flop hits our opponents range pretty hard and hands he didnt hit he likely has straight combos for, So cbetting full would likely be a bad move. Im betting more like 2/3 pot on both turn and river, though check raising on the turn would still be ok.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
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will641
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: getting my swell on
Posts: 1,610
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bet turn harder, shove river. also i dont like c/c the flop here.
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kmind
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
Posts: 4,240
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Originally Posted by JKDS
i disagree. This flop hits our opponents range pretty hard and hands he didnt hit he likely has straight combos for, So cbetting full would likely be a bad move. Im betting more THAN 2/3 pot on both turn and river
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Originally Posted by JKDS
though check raising on the turn would still be ok.
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Please don't check this turn
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HarleyGuy13
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,226
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Well obviously my DOnklogic was way off. I wasn't to excited about the flop so I checked and called his bet. Obviously I should have bet it then shoved later....Oh well I tryin' 2 learn!
Thanks guys
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"You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
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What do you guys think of 1/2 pot + 5 cents for a cbet? If we're willing to call a flop bet, we should be willing to bet our hand.
If our opponent called PF with a small pair, he's folding for 1/2 pot, if he has some kind of a straight draw or pair + draw, he's calling full pot anyway.
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Cole24b
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Miami
Posts: 11
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With so many possible outs and that fact your opp is a donk, i agree with at least a 1/2 pot +5 cbet on the flop. He should fold is he wiffs and if he gets a draw or small piece he will more than likely pay you off later.
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"If there was no luck involved I would win everytime." - Phil Hellmuth
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angrystoc
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 35
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As played, the flop call is still good because we're counting AK as overs? The weak bet means if we pair either the turn or the river we're probably still good allowing us to draw to 10 outs instead of just 4?
I know these seem like dumb questions, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around pot odds (let alone implied odds). For example, it's strange to me that a pot-size c-bet still gives good pot odds to a flush draw.
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Cole24b
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Miami
Posts: 11
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Even though the villian raises more than hp here and we are around 40% to make our hand at this point, the implied odds suggest that we will get paid off if we hit because you have to think that this pot will get bet at again on the turn by a donkish player even if it would appear to be a scare card for him.
I am pretty new to this concept too. In fact I learned it from here (this site is awesome) but that is what I gather from it. If I am wrong then let me know too.
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"If there was no luck involved I would win everytime." - Phil Hellmuth
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: IRC Chat Room
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Originally Posted by iopq
If we're willing to call a flop bet, we should be willing to bet our hand.
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Be careful trying to apply this logic to every scenario.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Parasurama
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: DMT
Posts: 820
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A pot-size c-bet doesn't give good pot odds to a flush draw, unless the drawer has overcards that are also outs. Implied odds can often dictate a call with a flush draw because of extra bets you can win if you hit.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by iopq
If we're willing to call a flop bet, we should be willing to bet our hand.
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Be careful trying to apply this logic to every scenario. |
Of course this isn't true all the time, but here is the logic here:
we can't make our opponent fold by calling
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