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JHaley
Old 02-19-2004, 01:34 PM     Post subject: Starting loss #1 (permalink)  

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Gentlemen,

I had to write in to get some advice. I have been playing the $50 NL tables at ParadisePoker for about 2months. Iniitally, I had some success and was up at $330.00 from starting at $250.00. Well I tilted the very next time and lost it all in one day. Since then I've lost another $500 and am very pissed with myself. I believe my biggest trouble is sticking to a preset plan and also adjusting to the way tables change during a session as players come and go. I know that I am to blame for my current situation, yet I believe I can change and get back on a winning track. I read that it is better to play tables where allot of players are seeing the flop, but most of the time those tables tend to be aggressive and I get sucked into playing too many hands because it seems like any and every idot is taking down all the money. When I finally get my chance a bad beat drives my on tilt. An example would be last night have caught AA. I raised $5.00 and got one caller. The flop came J, 2, 8 off suits. I bet $3 and was called. The turn came 3. I tried to check raise, but wound up giving a free look at the river. Big mistake! The river came 8. I bet $5 and was raised $10. I knew that he probably caught a set, but I just had to call (dumb) He showed K8 suited and took me for $25 or so. I know this post is long. Are the tables at partypoker that much easier? How can I get better? I currently have $95 left in Paradise and am sick of losing. I oscillate between giving up and trying to continue. I know I've learned allot about what cards to play/fold pre-flop, but I need vast improvement learning how to bet.

Thanks in advance for any advice. You guys have a great site!
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Old 02-19-2004, 01:34 PM     Post subject: Starting loss #2 (permalink)  

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Gentlemen,

I had to write in to get some advice. I have been playing the $50 NL tables at ParadisePoker for about 2months. Iniitally, I had some success and was up at $330.00 from starting at $250.00. Well I tilted the very next time and lost it all in one day. Since then I've lost another $500 and am very pissed with myself. I believe my biggest trouble is sticking to a preset plan and also adjusting to the way tables change during a session as players come and go. I know that I am to blame for my current situation, yet I believe I can change and get back on a winning track. I read that it is better to play tables where allot of players are seeing the flop, but most of the time those tables tend to be aggressive and I get sucked into playing too many hands because it seems like any and every idot is taking down all the money. When I finally get my chance a bad beat drives my on tilt. An example would be last night have caught AA. I raised $5.00 and got one caller. The flop came J, 2, 8 off suits. I bet $3 and was called. The turn came 3. I tried to check raise, but wound up giving a free look at the river. Big mistake! The river came 8. I bet $5 and was raised $10. I knew that he probably caught a set, but I just had to call (dumb) He showed K8 suited and took me for $25 or so. I know this post is long. Are the tables at partypoker that much easier? How can I get better? I currently have $95 left in Paradise and am sick of losing. I oscillate between giving up and trying to continue. I know I've learned allot about what cards to play/fold pre-flop, but I need vast improvement learning how to bet.

Thanks in advance for any advice. You guys have a great site!
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Old 02-19-2004, 01:34 PM     Post subject: Starting loss #3 (permalink)  

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Gentlemen,

I had to write in to get some advice. I have been playing the $50 NL tables at ParadisePoker for about 2months. Iniitally, I had some success and was up at $330.00 from starting at $250.00. Well I tilted the very next time and lost it all in one day. Since then I've lost another $500 and am very pissed with myself. I believe my biggest trouble is sticking to a preset plan and also adjusting to the way tables change during a session as players come and go. I know that I am to blame for my current situation, yet I believe I can change and get back on a winning track. I read that it is better to play tables where allot of players are seeing the flop, but most of the time those tables tend to be aggressive and I get sucked into playing too many hands because it seems like any and every idot is taking down all the money. When I finally get my chance a bad beat drives my on tilt. An example would be last night have caught AA. I raised $5.00 and got one caller. The flop came J, 2, 8 off suits. I bet $3 and was called. The turn came 3. I tried to check raise, but wound up giving a free look at the river. Big mistake! The river came 8. I bet $5 and was raised $10. I knew that he probably caught a set, but I just had to call (dumb) He showed K8 suited and took me for $25 or so. I know this post is long. Are the tables at partypoker that much easier? How can I get better? I currently have $95 left in Paradise and am sick of losing. I oscillate between giving up and trying to continue. I know I've learned allot about what cards to play/fold pre-flop, but I need vast improvement learning how to bet.

Thanks in advance for any advice. You guys have a great site!
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Old 02-19-2004, 01:34 PM     Post subject: Starting loss #4 (permalink)  

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Gentlemen,

I had to write in to get some advice. I have been playing the $50 NL tables at ParadisePoker for about 2months. Iniitally, I had some success and was up at $330.00 from starting at $250.00. Well I tilted the very next time and lost it all in one day. Since then I've lost another $500 and am very pissed with myself. I believe my biggest trouble is sticking to a preset plan and also adjusting to the way tables change during a session as players come and go. I know that I am to blame for my current situation, yet I believe I can change and get back on a winning track. I read that it is better to play tables where allot of players are seeing the flop, but most of the time those tables tend to be aggressive and I get sucked into playing too many hands because it seems like any and every idot is taking down all the money. When I finally get my chance a bad beat drives my on tilt. An example would be last night have caught AA. I raised $5.00 and got one caller. The flop came J, 2, 8 off suits. I bet $3 and was called. The turn came 3. I tried to check raise, but wound up giving a free look at the river. Big mistake! The river came 8. I bet $5 and was raised $10. I knew that he probably caught a set, but I just had to call (dumb) He showed K8 suited and took me for $25 or so. I know this post is long. Are the tables at partypoker that much easier? How can I get better? I currently have $95 left in Paradise and am sick of losing. I oscillate between giving up and trying to continue. I know I've learned allot about what cards to play/fold pre-flop, but I need vast improvement learning how to bet.

Thanks in advance for any advice. You guys have a great site!
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Old 02-19-2004, 01:34 PM     Post subject: Starting loss #5 (permalink)  

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Gentlemen,

I had to write in to get some advice. I have been playing the $50 NL tables at ParadisePoker for about 2months. Iniitally, I had some success and was up at $330.00 from starting at $250.00. Well I tilted the very next time and lost it all in one day. Since then I've lost another $500 and am very pissed with myself. I believe my biggest trouble is sticking to a preset plan and also adjusting to the way tables change during a session as players come and go. I know that I am to blame for my current situation, yet I believe I can change and get back on a winning track. I read that it is better to play tables where allot of players are seeing the flop, but most of the time those tables tend to be aggressive and I get sucked into playing too many hands because it seems like any and every idot is taking down all the money. When I finally get my chance a bad beat drives my on tilt. An example would be last night have caught AA. I raised $5.00 and got one caller. The flop came J, 2, 8 off suits. I bet $3 and was called. The turn came 3. I tried to check raise, but wound up giving a free look at the river. Big mistake! The river came 8. I bet $5 and was raised $10. I knew that he probably caught a set, but I just had to call (dumb) He showed K8 suited and took me for $25 or so. I know this post is long. Are the tables at partypoker that much easier? How can I get better? I currently have $95 left in Paradise and am sick of losing. I oscillate between giving up and trying to continue. I know I've learned allot about what cards to play/fold pre-flop, but I need vast improvement learning how to bet.

Thanks in advance for any advice. You guys have a great site!
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Old 02-19-2004, 01:34 PM     Post subject: Starting loss #6 (permalink)  

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Gentlemen,

I had to write in to get some advice. I have been playing the $50 NL tables at ParadisePoker for about 2months. Iniitally, I had some success and was up at $330.00 from starting at $250.00. Well I tilted the very next time and lost it all in one day. Since then I've lost another $500 and am very pissed with myself. I believe my biggest trouble is sticking to a preset plan and also adjusting to the way tables change during a session as players come and go. I know that I am to blame for my current situation, yet I believe I can change and get back on a winning track. I read that it is better to play tables where allot of players are seeing the flop, but most of the time those tables tend to be aggressive and I get sucked into playing too many hands because it seems like any and every idot is taking down all the money. When I finally get my chance a bad beat drives my on tilt. An example would be last night have caught AA. I raised $5.00 and got one caller. The flop came J, 2, 8 off suits. I bet $3 and was called. The turn came 3. I tried to check raise, but wound up giving a free look at the river. Big mistake! The river came 8. I bet $5 and was raised $10. I knew that he probably caught a set, but I just had to call (dumb) He showed K8 suited and took me for $25 or so. I know this post is long. Are the tables at partypoker that much easier? How can I get better? I currently have $95 left in Paradise and am sick of losing. I oscillate between giving up and trying to continue. I know I've learned allot about what cards to play/fold pre-flop, but I need vast improvement learning how to bet.

Thanks in advance for any advice. You guys have a great site!
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Old 02-19-2004, 04:05 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 It sounds like you've been allowing too many people to see too many cards by not betting enough, thereby allowing them to chase their hands and making something better than your hand.

Main thing is, when you believe you have the best hand, you must bet at least the pot. In your example, you bet $5 pre-flop, but then only bet $3 on the flop. This is representing that your hand did not look as good after the flop.

The pot at that time was probably around $13. By you only betting $3, of course he's going to call you with his second pair. Your bet represented that or even bottom pair. But in fact, you had a pair higher than the highest card on the board!

Your bet on the flop should have been at least the size of the pot, or approximately $15 or so. He surely would have folded and you would have won the pot on the flop.

Play tight. But when you have the winning hand, you must bet aggressively.


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 It sounds like you've been allowing too many people to see too many cards by not betting enough, thereby allowing them to chase their hands and making something better than your hand.

Main thing is, when you believe you have the best hand, you must bet at least the pot. In your example, you bet $5 pre-flop, but then only bet $3 on the flop. This is representing that your hand did not look as good after the flop.

The pot at that time was probably around $13. By you only betting $3, of course he's going to call you with his second pair. Your bet represented that or even bottom pair. But in fact, you had a pair higher than the highest card on the board!

Your bet on the flop should have been at least the size of the pot, or approximately $15 or so. He surely would have folded and you would have won the pot on the flop.

Play tight. But when you have the winning hand, you must bet aggressively.


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Old 02-19-2004, 04:05 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 It sounds like you've been allowing too many people to see too many cards by not betting enough, thereby allowing them to chase their hands and making something better than your hand.

Main thing is, when you believe you have the best hand, you must bet at least the pot. In your example, you bet $5 pre-flop, but then only bet $3 on the flop. This is representing that your hand did not look as good after the flop.

The pot at that time was probably around $13. By you only betting $3, of course he's going to call you with his second pair. Your bet represented that or even bottom pair. But in fact, you had a pair higher than the highest card on the board!

Your bet on the flop should have been at least the size of the pot, or approximately $15 or so. He surely would have folded and you would have won the pot on the flop.

Play tight. But when you have the winning hand, you must bet aggressively.


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 It sounds like you've been allowing too many people to see too many cards by not betting enough, thereby allowing them to chase their hands and making something better than your hand.

Main thing is, when you believe you have the best hand, you must bet at least the pot. In your example, you bet $5 pre-flop, but then only bet $3 on the flop. This is representing that your hand did not look as good after the flop.

The pot at that time was probably around $13. By you only betting $3, of course he's going to call you with his second pair. Your bet represented that or even bottom pair. But in fact, you had a pair higher than the highest card on the board!

Your bet on the flop should have been at least the size of the pot, or approximately $15 or so. He surely would have folded and you would have won the pot on the flop.

Play tight. But when you have the winning hand, you must bet aggressively.


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 It sounds like you've been allowing too many people to see too many cards by not betting enough, thereby allowing them to chase their hands and making something better than your hand.

Main thing is, when you believe you have the best hand, you must bet at least the pot. In your example, you bet $5 pre-flop, but then only bet $3 on the flop. This is representing that your hand did not look as good after the flop.

The pot at that time was probably around $13. By you only betting $3, of course he's going to call you with his second pair. Your bet represented that or even bottom pair. But in fact, you had a pair higher than the highest card on the board!

Your bet on the flop should have been at least the size of the pot, or approximately $15 or so. He surely would have folded and you would have won the pot on the flop.

Play tight. But when you have the winning hand, you must bet aggressively.


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Old 02-19-2004, 04:05 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 It sounds like you've been allowing too many people to see too many cards by not betting enough, thereby allowing them to chase their hands and making something better than your hand.

Main thing is, when you believe you have the best hand, you must bet at least the pot. In your example, you bet $5 pre-flop, but then only bet $3 on the flop. This is representing that your hand did not look as good after the flop.

The pot at that time was probably around $13. By you only betting $3, of course he's going to call you with his second pair. Your bet represented that or even bottom pair. But in fact, you had a pair higher than the highest card on the board!

Your bet on the flop should have been at least the size of the pot, or approximately $15 or so. He surely would have folded and you would have won the pot on the flop.

Play tight. But when you have the winning hand, you must bet aggressively.


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Old 02-19-2004, 07:12 PM     Post subject: Betting #13 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the advice. I guess I was surprised at all that he called a $5 raise on K8 suited. I also realize that I need to stick to games that are more passive. I won $23 in a about an hour today on a passive 35%/ flop @ $9 avg. I tend to use positon much better and am able to feel in more control. Listened to a good Caro tape on betting. Finally, Do you see much difference in the quality of players a PartyPoker vs. Paradise?

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Old 02-19-2004, 07:12 PM     Post subject: Betting #14 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the advice. I guess I was surprised at all that he called a $5 raise on K8 suited. I also realize that I need to stick to games that are more passive. I won $23 in a about an hour today on a passive 35%/ flop @ $9 avg. I tend to use positon much better and am able to feel in more control. Listened to a good Caro tape on betting. Finally, Do you see much difference in the quality of players a PartyPoker vs. Paradise?

Thanks,

JLH
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Old 02-19-2004, 07:12 PM     Post subject: Betting #15 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the advice. I guess I was surprised at all that he called a $5 raise on K8 suited. I also realize that I need to stick to games that are more passive. I won $23 in a about an hour today on a passive 35%/ flop @ $9 avg. I tend to use positon much better and am able to feel in more control. Listened to a good Caro tape on betting. Finally, Do you see much difference in the quality of players a PartyPoker vs. Paradise?

Thanks,

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Old 02-19-2004, 07:12 PM     Post subject: Betting #16 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the advice. I guess I was surprised at all that he called a $5 raise on K8 suited. I also realize that I need to stick to games that are more passive. I won $23 in a about an hour today on a passive 35%/ flop @ $9 avg. I tend to use positon much better and am able to feel in more control. Listened to a good Caro tape on betting. Finally, Do you see much difference in the quality of players a PartyPoker vs. Paradise?

Thanks,

JLH
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Old 02-19-2004, 07:12 PM     Post subject: Betting #17 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the advice. I guess I was surprised at all that he called a $5 raise on K8 suited. I also realize that I need to stick to games that are more passive. I won $23 in a about an hour today on a passive 35%/ flop @ $9 avg. I tend to use positon much better and am able to feel in more control. Listened to a good Caro tape on betting. Finally, Do you see much difference in the quality of players a PartyPoker vs. Paradise?

Thanks,

JLH
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Old 02-19-2004, 07:12 PM     Post subject: Betting #18 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the advice. I guess I was surprised at all that he called a $5 raise on K8 suited. I also realize that I need to stick to games that are more passive. I won $23 in a about an hour today on a passive 35%/ flop @ $9 avg. I tend to use positon much better and am able to feel in more control. Listened to a good Caro tape on betting. Finally, Do you see much difference in the quality of players a PartyPoker vs. Paradise?

Thanks,

JLH
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Old 02-19-2004, 11:59 PM #19 (permalink)  
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 Hi JHaley. Welcome to FTR. First of all, I know how you feel, it can be very frustrating when you're on a losing streak. We've all been there. However, it sounds like there is a lot you can do to improve your game (at least by that example of AA you gave) - and that's a good thing.

You can certainly turn your profits around.

Back to your questions on PartyPoker.

It's been a while since I played at Paradise. But that's where I started. I since moved to UB (which I liked better), and then moved to PartyPoker, which I like the most.

PartyPoker has massive amounts of players, and therefore, massive amounts of players that suck. Of course, there are plenty of good players too, but I think overall, the game is a bit easier at PartyPoker. There is always plenty of action, and you can pick and choose among tons of tables at the stakes you want.

However, if you do not have a sound strategy in place, you will lose in both poker rooms.

I agree that passive games are easier overall. However, the maniac aggressive bettor is also a nice contributor to my profits.

With regards to your AA bad beat, Xianti made some good points. You should check out this essay which may help with some of your betting decisions: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html

Also, against the over-aggressive maniac (be sure they are, in fact, a maniac!), these two posts may help also:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...ttoplayer.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...toplayer2.html

Good luck, and keep us posted. We recommend PartyPoker over the other online poker rooms, and that's from my experience of playing in the aforementioned three. But just switching to PartyPoker will not suddenly make you a profitable player. Keep studying, keep learning, the content on this site will help you.
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Old 02-19-2004, 11:59 PM #20 (permalink)  
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 Hi JHaley. Welcome to FTR. First of all, I know how you feel, it can be very frustrating when you're on a losing streak. We've all been there. However, it sounds like there is a lot you can do to improve your game (at least by that example of AA you gave) - and that's a good thing.

You can certainly turn your profits around.

Back to your questions on PartyPoker.

It's been a while since I played at Paradise. But that's where I started. I since moved to UB (which I liked better), and then moved to PartyPoker, which I like the most.

PartyPoker has massive amounts of players, and therefore, massive amounts of players that suck. Of course, there are plenty of good players too, but I think overall, the game is a bit easier at PartyPoker. There is always plenty of action, and you can pick and choose among tons of tables at the stakes you want.

However, if you do not have a sound strategy in place, you will lose in both poker rooms.

I agree that passive games are easier overall. However, the maniac aggressive bettor is also a nice contributor to my profits.

With regards to your AA bad beat, Xianti made some good points. You should check out this essay which may help with some of your betting decisions: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html

Also, against the over-aggressive maniac (be sure they are, in fact, a maniac!), these two posts may help also:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...ttoplayer.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...toplayer2.html

Good luck, and keep us posted. We recommend PartyPoker over the other online poker rooms, and that's from my experience of playing in the aforementioned three. But just switching to PartyPoker will not suddenly make you a profitable player. Keep studying, keep learning, the content on this site will help you.
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Old 02-19-2004, 11:59 PM #21 (permalink)  
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 Hi JHaley. Welcome to FTR. First of all, I know how you feel, it can be very frustrating when you're on a losing streak. We've all been there. However, it sounds like there is a lot you can do to improve your game (at least by that example of AA you gave) - and that's a good thing.

You can certainly turn your profits around.

Back to your questions on PartyPoker.

It's been a while since I played at Paradise. But that's where I started. I since moved to UB (which I liked better), and then moved to PartyPoker, which I like the most.

PartyPoker has massive amounts of players, and therefore, massive amounts of players that suck. Of course, there are plenty of good players too, but I think overall, the game is a bit easier at PartyPoker. There is always plenty of action, and you can pick and choose among tons of tables at the stakes you want.

However, if you do not have a sound strategy in place, you will lose in both poker rooms.

I agree that passive games are easier overall. However, the maniac aggressive bettor is also a nice contributor to my profits.

With regards to your AA bad beat, Xianti made some good points. You should check out this essay which may help with some of your betting decisions: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html

Also, against the over-aggressive maniac (be sure they are, in fact, a maniac!), these two posts may help also:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...ttoplayer.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...toplayer2.html

Good luck, and keep us posted. We recommend PartyPoker over the other online poker rooms, and that's from my experience of playing in the aforementioned three. But just switching to PartyPoker will not suddenly make you a profitable player. Keep studying, keep learning, the content on this site will help you.
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Old 02-19-2004, 11:59 PM #22 (permalink)  
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 Hi JHaley. Welcome to FTR. First of all, I know how you feel, it can be very frustrating when you're on a losing streak. We've all been there. However, it sounds like there is a lot you can do to improve your game (at least by that example of AA you gave) - and that's a good thing.

You can certainly turn your profits around.

Back to your questions on PartyPoker.

It's been a while since I played at Paradise. But that's where I started. I since moved to UB (which I liked better), and then moved to PartyPoker, which I like the most.

PartyPoker has massive amounts of players, and therefore, massive amounts of players that suck. Of course, there are plenty of good players too, but I think overall, the game is a bit easier at PartyPoker. There is always plenty of action, and you can pick and choose among tons of tables at the stakes you want.

However, if you do not have a sound strategy in place, you will lose in both poker rooms.

I agree that passive games are easier overall. However, the maniac aggressive bettor is also a nice contributor to my profits.

With regards to your AA bad beat, Xianti made some good points. You should check out this essay which may help with some of your betting decisions: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html

Also, against the over-aggressive maniac (be sure they are, in fact, a maniac!), these two posts may help also:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...ttoplayer.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...toplayer2.html

Good luck, and keep us posted. We recommend PartyPoker over the other online poker rooms, and that's from my experience of playing in the aforementioned three. But just switching to PartyPoker will not suddenly make you a profitable player. Keep studying, keep learning, the content on this site will help you.
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 Hi JHaley. Welcome to FTR. First of all, I know how you feel, it can be very frustrating when you're on a losing streak. We've all been there. However, it sounds like there is a lot you can do to improve your game (at least by that example of AA you gave) - and that's a good thing.

You can certainly turn your profits around.

Back to your questions on PartyPoker.

It's been a while since I played at Paradise. But that's where I started. I since moved to UB (which I liked better), and then moved to PartyPoker, which I like the most.

PartyPoker has massive amounts of players, and therefore, massive amounts of players that suck. Of course, there are plenty of good players too, but I think overall, the game is a bit easier at PartyPoker. There is always plenty of action, and you can pick and choose among tons of tables at the stakes you want.

However, if you do not have a sound strategy in place, you will lose in both poker rooms.

I agree that passive games are easier overall. However, the maniac aggressive bettor is also a nice contributor to my profits.

With regards to your AA bad beat, Xianti made some good points. You should check out this essay which may help with some of your betting decisions: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html

Also, against the over-aggressive maniac (be sure they are, in fact, a maniac!), these two posts may help also:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...ttoplayer.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...toplayer2.html

Good luck, and keep us posted. We recommend PartyPoker over the other online poker rooms, and that's from my experience of playing in the aforementioned three. But just switching to PartyPoker will not suddenly make you a profitable player. Keep studying, keep learning, the content on this site will help you.
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Old 02-19-2004, 11:59 PM #24 (permalink)  
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 Hi JHaley. Welcome to FTR. First of all, I know how you feel, it can be very frustrating when you're on a losing streak. We've all been there. However, it sounds like there is a lot you can do to improve your game (at least by that example of AA you gave) - and that's a good thing.

You can certainly turn your profits around.

Back to your questions on PartyPoker.

It's been a while since I played at Paradise. But that's where I started. I since moved to UB (which I liked better), and then moved to PartyPoker, which I like the most.

PartyPoker has massive amounts of players, and therefore, massive amounts of players that suck. Of course, there are plenty of good players too, but I think overall, the game is a bit easier at PartyPoker. There is always plenty of action, and you can pick and choose among tons of tables at the stakes you want.

However, if you do not have a sound strategy in place, you will lose in both poker rooms.

I agree that passive games are easier overall. However, the maniac aggressive bettor is also a nice contributor to my profits.

With regards to your AA bad beat, Xianti made some good points. You should check out this essay which may help with some of your betting decisions: http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_pot_odds.html

Also, against the over-aggressive maniac (be sure they are, in fact, a maniac!), these two posts may help also:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...ttoplayer.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/hand_02...toplayer2.html

Good luck, and keep us posted. We recommend PartyPoker over the other online poker rooms, and that's from my experience of playing in the aforementioned three. But just switching to PartyPoker will not suddenly make you a profitable player. Keep studying, keep learning, the content on this site will help you.
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:02 PM     Post subject: Update #25 (permalink)  

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Recently I've switched to PartyPoker (PP) and am having success so far. Up $50 playing $25 NL, PL and some $50 NL tables. I find way more maniacs here than at Paradise. I am getting better at getting out of the way when I appear beat and betting it up when I have an advantage. I do find many more players at Party that are willing to go to the river chasing anything. This makes it very hard to get a feel for what a particular player may hold. That said, I am playing a tighter pre-flop game to be able to take advantage of these guys/gals if they want to chase chase chase. One question about KK. At PP the other day, I got into a pre-flop raisefest with another player that had a good amount of chips. Having KK in early position I raised $6 to which he raised $12 to which I raised $8 to which he went all-in for $40 some-odd more. I laid the hand down and felt bad, but I took him for AA. Do you guys always call all raises with KK?

Thanks for all the help,
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:02 PM     Post subject: Update #26 (permalink)  

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Recently I've switched to PartyPoker (PP) and am having success so far. Up $50 playing $25 NL, PL and some $50 NL tables. I find way more maniacs here than at Paradise. I am getting better at getting out of the way when I appear beat and betting it up when I have an advantage. I do find many more players at Party that are willing to go to the river chasing anything. This makes it very hard to get a feel for what a particular player may hold. That said, I am playing a tighter pre-flop game to be able to take advantage of these guys/gals if they want to chase chase chase. One question about KK. At PP the other day, I got into a pre-flop raisefest with another player that had a good amount of chips. Having KK in early position I raised $6 to which he raised $12 to which I raised $8 to which he went all-in for $40 some-odd more. I laid the hand down and felt bad, but I took him for AA. Do you guys always call all raises with KK?

Thanks for all the help,
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:02 PM     Post subject: Update #27 (permalink)  

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Recently I've switched to PartyPoker (PP) and am having success so far. Up $50 playing $25 NL, PL and some $50 NL tables. I find way more maniacs here than at Paradise. I am getting better at getting out of the way when I appear beat and betting it up when I have an advantage. I do find many more players at Party that are willing to go to the river chasing anything. This makes it very hard to get a feel for what a particular player may hold. That said, I am playing a tighter pre-flop game to be able to take advantage of these guys/gals if they want to chase chase chase. One question about KK. At PP the other day, I got into a pre-flop raisefest with another player that had a good amount of chips. Having KK in early position I raised $6 to which he raised $12 to which I raised $8 to which he went all-in for $40 some-odd more. I laid the hand down and felt bad, but I took him for AA. Do you guys always call all raises with KK?

Thanks for all the help,
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:02 PM     Post subject: Update #28 (permalink)  

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Recently I've switched to PartyPoker (PP) and am having success so far. Up $50 playing $25 NL, PL and some $50 NL tables. I find way more maniacs here than at Paradise. I am getting better at getting out of the way when I appear beat and betting it up when I have an advantage. I do find many more players at Party that are willing to go to the river chasing anything. This makes it very hard to get a feel for what a particular player may hold. That said, I am playing a tighter pre-flop game to be able to take advantage of these guys/gals if they want to chase chase chase. One question about KK. At PP the other day, I got into a pre-flop raisefest with another player that had a good amount of chips. Having KK in early position I raised $6 to which he raised $12 to which I raised $8 to which he went all-in for $40 some-odd more. I laid the hand down and felt bad, but I took him for AA. Do you guys always call all raises with KK?

Thanks for all the help,
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:02 PM     Post subject: Update #29 (permalink)  

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Recently I've switched to PartyPoker (PP) and am having success so far. Up $50 playing $25 NL, PL and some $50 NL tables. I find way more maniacs here than at Paradise. I am getting better at getting out of the way when I appear beat and betting it up when I have an advantage. I do find many more players at Party that are willing to go to the river chasing anything. This makes it very hard to get a feel for what a particular player may hold. That said, I am playing a tighter pre-flop game to be able to take advantage of these guys/gals if they want to chase chase chase. One question about KK. At PP the other day, I got into a pre-flop raisefest with another player that had a good amount of chips. Having KK in early position I raised $6 to which he raised $12 to which I raised $8 to which he went all-in for $40 some-odd more. I laid the hand down and felt bad, but I took him for AA. Do you guys always call all raises with KK?

Thanks for all the help,
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:02 PM     Post subject: Update #30 (permalink)  

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Recently I've switched to PartyPoker (PP) and am having success so far. Up $50 playing $25 NL, PL and some $50 NL tables. I find way more maniacs here than at Paradise. I am getting better at getting out of the way when I appear beat and betting it up when I have an advantage. I do find many more players at Party that are willing to go to the river chasing anything. This makes it very hard to get a feel for what a particular player may hold. That said, I am playing a tighter pre-flop game to be able to take advantage of these guys/gals if they want to chase chase chase. One question about KK. At PP the other day, I got into a pre-flop raisefest with another player that had a good amount of chips. Having KK in early position I raised $6 to which he raised $12 to which I raised $8 to which he went all-in for $40 some-odd more. I laid the hand down and felt bad, but I took him for AA. Do you guys always call all raises with KK?

Thanks for all the help,
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Old 03-19-2004, 06:59 PM #31 (permalink)  
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don't despair. like the others said, keep to a strategy and let the other people make the mistakes.

i sympathize with your pair of kings - i have a real problem laying down a premium pair, but you have to objectively ask yourself "am i probably beat?". if so, dump the hand. otherwise (especially in NL), you can lose a lot of money.

last night on party poker, i dumped two hands that would have ultimately been big winners. BUT, i never bet out on a hand i didn't win.

keep at it and get better! (i won't say good luck - luck in poker is for the fish!)
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Old 03-19-2004, 07:36 PM     Post subject: Thanks fishstick #32 (permalink)  

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Since that post, I've come into my own a bit. I've cashed out over $350 this month between Party and Paradise. I think your advice sums up what is allowing me to win. I'm layin it down when beat and bettin smarter when up. Also I'm taking better notes on players and in general more observant.

Thanks,
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