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Micro2Macro
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05-01-2009, 04:45 AM
Post subject: Standard stack off?
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I know he's repping such a narrow range, like A3, 33, 44 maybe a luckboxed TT. Is this an auto-stack off, even though the classic C/C flop C/R turn line was taken which is almost always >=set
Sorry if this sounds really results oriented lol, I just have a hard time imagining anyone bluff shoves here since its so ridiculous and if he had a hand with moderate showdown value such as 66-99 I'd imagine he wouldn't want to get all in?
Villain is unknown and just arrived at the table.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($6.65)
Hero (BB) ($5)
UTG ($4.84)
MP ($4.88)
CO ($3.36)
Button ($2.78)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A
2 folds, CO calls $0.05, 1 fold, SB calls $0.03, Hero bets $0.25, CO calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.75) 4 , 3 , 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, 1 fold, SB calls $0.45
Turn: ($1.65) 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $5.95 (All-In), Hero calls $3.30 (All-In)
River: ($10.25) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $10.25 | Rake: $0.50
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Micro2Macro
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Does anyone check back turn for pot control+induce river bluffs with missed overcards etc since the board isn't too scary and a bunch of weak crap in his range might fold to a 2nd barrel?
This is sort of made in hindsight..but I was thinking maybe that would be a way to yield higher expectation in this situation.
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strongly re-evaluate one pair hands when raised on the turn
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Illfavor
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I don't think I check turn b/c there are players at this stake who will call you down w/55 here. Like his flop calling range is literally at least broadway 22-QQ generally imo. That being said I'm not sure we're ahead enough on the turn. I consistently stack off in these spots and don't win the 25% of the time or w/e we need to make it profitable. I think I'd fold and be annoyed. B/f sucks getting 2.x-1 sucks but seriously ppl pls post a HH when we end up ahead in these spots.
And and Baluga too, like I owe P's and Q's said.
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Micro2Macro
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iopq would you agree with my thought on checking back the turn in these spots
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Originally Posted by Illfavor
I don't think I check turn b/c there are players at this stake who will call you down w/55 here. Like his flop calling range is literally at least broadway 22-QQ generally imo. That being said I'm not sure we're ahead enough on the turn. I consistently stack off in these spots and don't win the 25% of the time or w/e we need to make it profitable. I think I'd fold and be annoyed. B/f sucks getting 2.x-1 sucks but seriously ppl pls post a HH when we end up ahead in these spots.
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lol yeah i'd love to see some HH's where we are ahead too.
at the time I was like 'well you're repping like 2 hands, ok pot odds whatever call ill take a note' but I felt really gross about it before I pressed the call button.
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bigspenda73
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don't check the turn
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
don't check the turn
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thx for reminding me. checking is so bad here.
do u b/f here? or if not then b/f when deeper obv?
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Originally Posted by iopq
strongly re-evaluate one pair hands when raised on the turn
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While you're evaluating, keep two things in mind.
1. He could have raised short of all-in to make it easier for you to call. The shove often means less strength, rather than the immortal nuts.
2. He picked up a draw on the turn, and has a few hands in his range you still beat.
That said, IOPQ's definitely right. Helps to have reads to focus these ranges down to something we can re-evaluate more specifically.
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
iopq would you agree with my thought on checking back the turn in these spots
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hell no
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