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Old 01-25-2006, 04:36 AM     Post subject: standard play in common situation? #1 (permalink)  
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$100 NL
AK utg, raise to $4, one call from LP

flop comes K73 rainbow. non-threatening board so i half pot it for $5
villain minraises to $10

assume full stacks, and no reads whatsoever
what is the 'standard' play here OOP?
pushing is pretty suicidal cos it could be a 2 pair or a set... for me i have 2 solid choices

a) assume TPTK is good until it's staring me in the face it's not. raise to $20, and then what?

b) play cautiously. call, then check the turn. call down reasonable bets, check the river again if checked through on turn hoping to induce a bluff

probably been done before, but can't find a post directly on point. cheers if you guys can help
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Old 01-25-2006, 10:00 AM     Post subject: Re: standard play in common situation? #2 (permalink)  

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$100 NL
AK utg, raise to $4, one call from LP

flop comes K73 rainbow. non-threatening board so i half pot it for $5
villain minraises to $10
you have to base your decisions on the info you've collected on how the villain has played other hands... good players switch up their strategies but most online players tend to exhibit patterns that you can take advantage of. if this is literally the FIRST hand you've played @ the table & you're dealing w/ a complete unknown, then you should assume you're playing a poor player rather than hand out undue credit. in my book, i'm playing trash until proof to the contrary surfaces...

unless the table is nothing but a landfill & the villain fits the scenary, i think you can safely discount twopair on the flop... so the only two options i'd seriously consider would be tp/marginal kicker or a set.

since hardly anybody re-raises w/ sets on a completely unthreatening board (no flush/straight draws whatsoever) then in this particular instance i'd probably not put the villain on it. i'd definitely peg him for tp/marginal kicker or even pocket underpair & try to identify exactly what his marginal kicker is so i can be wary of the twopair 4-outer on the turn/river & then play my hand to maximize profit--in other words, dinky half-pot bets on the turn followed by a call if re-raised & lead w/ a pot-sized into him @ the river to make it look like a steal.
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yeah now i think of it, i was burned by a reraising set on a flushy board where i tried to play fast and ended up getting pot committed.

on this board, i agree.

what's a good line for TPTK on a K98 board 2 suited?
preflop raise to 4x, 1 call ($10 pot)
flop I bet $7.50, min raised to $15?
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I would come back over the top. This is because most players suck, and will gladly pay you off with their TPGD. If you are beat with a set however, I would think that the set would come back over the top.. then again, KQ from a donk might also.

I think it comes down to this: You will come across TPGD more often than a set in this scenerio, and in both cases, you could stack the villain on the flop.


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what's a good line for TPTK on a K98 board 2 suited?
preflop raise to 4x, 1 call ($10 pot) flop I bet $7.50, min raised to $15?
depends on the player, but: min-raises on a dangerous board, generally speaking, indicate drawing hands like middle pair + flush draw or open endeds. you're not terribly afraid of two-pair on the flop (although 98 is certainly a possibility) the only thing you're very wary of is a set.

i'd re-raise the pot. if he has the flush draw, he will dump it--if he has a set he will push b/c he thinks you'll pay him off w/ tptk (which you won't, since tptk on the flop is easy to let go to a push.)

against a very tight/solid player i might fold... but i almost never take min-raises seriously on boards w/ obvious draws.
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Your weak ass flop bet asks an observant opponent to put pressure on you. Basically, when you bet half pot, what you are looking for is a wider range of opponents that will hang around based on your bet size, whether they're aggressive or passive.

I personally don't get involved with small bets like this unless I'm trying to scramble patterns a little. I would rather commence tilting my opponents, rather than be kind with small value bets. These kind of value bets are not value efficient by any means.
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