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thizzSantaCruz
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12-05-2006, 12:26 AM
Post subject: is this the spot to lay down a set?
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
SB ($58.95)
Hero ($55.75)
UTG ($21.45)
UTG+1 ($38.20)
MP1 ($49.25)
MP2 ($52.65)
CO ($30.75)
Button ($55.05)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 , 2 .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($2.50) 8 , 6, 2 (5 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $2, Button folds.
Turn: ($8.50) 7 (3 players)
SB bets $5.5, Hero raises to $14, MP1 raises to $46.75, SB folds, Hero ...............
And also how should I have played the hand differently. Looking back I probalby should not have raised with the straight draw out there. Does anyone agree with my assesment here? Any commentary on this hand will be greatly appreciated.
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LeFou
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If opp is beating a set I usually expect a smaller raise or even a flat call here.
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thizzSantaCruz
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Oh one more thing villain is pretty passive...14/4 and I have never seen him raise before.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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givememyleg
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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I'm most likely raising the flop.
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thizzSantaCruz
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I wanted to maybe get another caller in there though. Figured The flop was not really dangerous, I mean what are the chances the scare card for the straight drops. It actually crossed my mind to raise but I decided to keep it multi-way.
Do you call here? Do you fold here?
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Raise preflop. Raise the flop. Getting it all in on the turn is a-ok with me.
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thizzSantaCruz
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I find this ammusing, In a previous thread I was taking all kinds of heat for raising with 66. Now everyone is telling me to raise on the blind.
I usually tend to mix it up a bit, allthough on this hand the check was largely influenced by the negative feedback I took from my last thread.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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What hand do you think villian has that he called a flop bet with and improved on the turn ?
77 is possible, gutshut str8s are unlikely, I am calling here
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givememyleg
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I like raising 22 at any position except out of the blinds, I think preflop is fine.
Set under set happens.... this could be an 87, 99-JJ, strangely played 55, I'm not sure. But regardless I'm not folding here. If he shows 88 or 66 I shriek a bit and say nh... if he shows 77 I kick myself in the face for not raising the flop. 
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preflop is fine.
Id play the flop the same way i think, we want hands to come in behind us.
Looking at the turn play bottom set probably no good, and i dont think its two pair or a set here.
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So hard to lay down a set, but looks like he made his hand on the turn to me.. hard to fathom how though since he would've called the flop with a gutshot then.
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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
I find this ammusing, In a previous thread I was taking all kinds of heat for raising with 66. Now everyone is telling me to raise on the blind.
I usually tend to mix it up a bit, allthough on this hand the check was largely influenced by the negative feedback I took from my last thread.
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You took heat for raising in the other thread because there was no point in raising. I'm not sure if I personally would raise in this hand, but raising in this hand would be a lot better than raising in the other hand.
Edit: Oh I didn't answer the original question. I'm okay with getting it all in here because I think it's just as likely some moron is trying to "slowplay" AA as it is for someone to have made a straight here.
Here's a way to make the decision easier: You're getting about 2.3:1 Calling here breaks even if you win 30% of the time, and if you win anymore than that then you're making a profit on this call. I'm pretty sure you'd agree you're winning more than 30% of the time here, so call.
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TLR
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It all depends ofcourse, but unless there are 4 flush or 4 str8 on board calling a push with a set is almost always correct in low limit
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If he has a straight, you are 22.7% to win. You don't have to be ahead very often to call here.
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thizzSantaCruz
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You took heat for raising in the other thread because there was no point in raising. I'm not sure if I personally would raise in this hand, but raising in this hand would be a lot better than raising in the other hand.
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I am not sure I understand this. Wouldn't raising in LP with a small pocket pair be much more profitable than raising on a blind? Or are you saying that a raise out of the blinds can be more scary than a raise on the button and induce some folds? I don't quit understand the reasoning here.
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If he has a straight, you are 22.7% to win. You don't have to be ahead very often to call here
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You know I did not really think about the board pairing in this situation. That is definantly something I need to become aware of, my thinking was that if he had the straight I only have a 2 outer. That is definatly something I need to consider.
Thanks for the feedback guys, I think this is the most knowledge I have learned from a hand history post on here.
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I pretty much always check preflop, most often I raise the flop and as played I call the turn with a smile on my face.
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Guy coulda stuck around wit 9T as overs + gutshot, so made straight or turn-revealed overset make sense. (guy could be overbetting since a 2nd diamond is out). He might also have crap like 79 of diamonds... but not likely. I think 40 bucks behind a reraise means a made one- I'd felt it.
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