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Old 07-08-2010, 07:04 PM     Post subject: Spewtarded AA OOP #1 (permalink)  
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I'z gotz acez!!!

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bet,raise,bet pot,bet pot,raise...

So good plan so far,fwiw villain is 10/7/60 but in all honesty I was playing a few too many tables so I don't think I was aware of his stats and I GOT AA!!!

Flop looks great,I bet,he RAISES?

So now I'm lost.Toss my plan along with my cookies and flat.When he checks behind on the turn I'm even more wtf?

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Hero (SB) ($1.75)
BB ($2.73)
UTG ($3.16)
MP1 ($4.97)
MP2 ($5.33)
CO ($2)
Button ($3.43)

Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Button calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.12, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.28) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, MP2 raises to $0.64, Hero calls $0.38

Turn: ($1.56) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($1.56) (2 players)

I figured he flopped a set but with turn check idk.Any thoughts?
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Old 07-08-2010, 07:14 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Bet .95 on the turn. Also, wtf @ giving his stats and then saying you don't know his stats.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
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Old 07-08-2010, 07:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Bet .95 on the turn.
you do realize this would leave us with $0.04 behind
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Old 07-08-2010, 07:22 PM #4 (permalink)  
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@op, def continue to the flop raise 'cause he's only repping 6 combos. i like flatting and donk shoving safe turns
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Old 07-08-2010, 07:30 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Bet .95 on the turn. Also, wtf @ giving his stats and then saying you don't know his stats.
LOL

I hate defending myself but here I go.I try to give as much info as I can when I post cuz I've been taught to do so.I thought I was clear with the "for what it's worth part".I know his stats now.I prolly new them before the hand.My point was that I wasn't paying enough attn to them.Anyway,If you reread my post and your reply you'll prolly see that they don't say or imply the same thing at all.

wtf @ puttin words in my mouth?

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My mistake on both accounts. Yeah I shove turn.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
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My mistake on both accounts. Yeah I shove turn.
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Old 07-08-2010, 07:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
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@op, def continue to the flop raise 'cause he's only repping 6 combos.
Your logic is a bit sketchy here.
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@op, def continue to the flop raise 'cause he's only repping 6 combos, and there are a fair amount of draws and other lesser hands in his range.
fmp.

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.145% 50.14% 00.00% 11418 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 49.855% 49.86% 00.00% 11352 0.00 { 66, 22, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, QhTh, JhTh, Jh9h, Th9h, Th8h, 9h8h, 9h7h, 8h7h, 54s }


i think both shoving and calling to shove on blank turns are +EV, and i like calling 'cause it gives us the opportunity to get away from our hand when the draw completes on the turn
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:34 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Why does a 10/7 who open limped in mp have alot of suited connectors in his range again?
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:00 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Fold because he clicked 6times then he clicked the raise button, this would indicate he has 6s on his mind THUS he has a set of 6s ! Wam bam
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:49 PM #13 (permalink)  
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FFS HES 10 FUCKING 7 I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF HES REPPING 6 COMBOS I BET HE RAISES FLOP CBETS 5% OF THE TIME SO FOLD.
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My mistake on both accounts. Yeah I shove turn.
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@op, def continue to the flop raise 'cause he's only repping 6 combos. i like flatting and donk shoving safe turns
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i think both shoving and calling to shove on blank turns are +EV, and i like calling 'cause it gives us the opportunity to get away from our hand when the draw completes on the turn
do you see whats horribly wrong this this?
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do you see whats horribly wrong this this?
I'll go out on a limb and say no.
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Old 07-09-2010, 01:05 AM #20 (permalink)  
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M2M?!


Edit: Alright so I caught up with M2M in IRC:

<Penneywize> hey m2m
<Penneywize> in that 'Spewtarded AA' thread in the BC
<m2m> what about it
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<Penneywize> are ur posts srs or?
<m2m> yeah
<Penneywize> villain's range heavily weighted towards sets given action / stats?
<m2m> his range pre is like 22-66
<m2m> maybe 77
<Penneywize> and even with all flush draws we're only like 50%
<Penneywize> k
<m2m> he doesnt have my fds at all
<CBAT> 40% rakeback right m2/
<m2m> hes 10/7 and he open limped in early middle position
<m2m> hes not limping a wide range
<Penneywize> yeah I see that
<Penneywize> makes sense
<m2m> like he might have a fd once and awhile
<m2m> but only a couple combos
<m2m> plus some of the time hemight c/c with them
<m2m> but i doubt u will ever see
<m2m> J9s here
<m2m> if he was 20/7
<m2m> id expect it
<Penneywize> yeah 10/7 is just too tight for him to limp/call pfr with that type of hand
<Penneywize> alright I feel better bout it now hehe
<m2m> everyones giving him such a wide range
<m2m> hes not a playmaster
<m2m> he probably never even bluff raises cbets
<Penneywize> yeah
<Penneywize> thats total value raise

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Old 07-09-2010, 02:47 AM #21 (permalink)  
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he has an afq of 60...probably a pretty aggro player, knows everyone and their brother is going to be cbetting a board like this...op never said he has a redic low raise cbet percent........i see him bluffing with some other weak pps here some percentage of the time.
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:51 AM #22 (permalink)  
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fold flop, ez game. When does a 10-7 l-c QTs?!? or 3x his flush draws?
sometimes you have to fold overpairs.
as played check river and watch him check back 22 cos he's scared you've got KK
 
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M2M is obviously right. That range was way off that was posted earlier. Guys, he's 10/7.
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I also don't see how are you unaware of his stats. If you are playing even just 1 table and are unaware of stats/reads/etc. in the middle of a session then you are playing 1 table too many.
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<m2m> hes 10/7 and he open limped in early middle position
<m2m> hes not limping a wide range
this is painfully obvious, but painfully true. my thinking was i don't expect a 10/7 to open limp, so when he does i think 54s is just as likely as PP's, but obviously if he's running those numbers, his limping range is so razor thin that it is only going to be 22-77

EDIT: re-read thread and remembered my mistake. i misread OP and thought he meant that villain was an unknown at the time, but by the end of the session had stats on him.

all this is obv irrelevant to the point of the thread, but figured i'd explain myself.
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he has an afq of 60...probably a pretty aggro player, knows everyone and their brother is going to be cbetting a board like this...op never said he has a redic low raise cbet percent........i see him bluffing with some other weak pps here some percentage of the time.
probably a sample size issue (stats like that take a long time to converge) plus if hes playing such a tight range overall he's going to be aggro more frequently postflop than others because he's going to have a stronger range.

i don't even look at AF or AFreq stats anymore i think they are bad way to come up with a decision in such a finite spot. his c/r % or raise cbet % would be of much greater use.

perhaps hes also really aggressive because he cbets/double barrels alot (which would make sense if he's mostly just raising strong hands preflop)
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He's 10/7 after how many hands? 60?


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He's 10/7 after how many hands? 60?
I shoulda included this info.I only have 102 hands on villain.Is this enough to make a descent call on his range or can we assume he's a bit looser.I tried to narrow it down but its hard to find a 10% range that includes 22 and I can barely fit in 66.I don't think he ever limps KK(maybe?idk) so I think the only set he could have hit is the 6.Question is does he do this TP?

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I also don't see how are you unaware of his stats. If you are playing even just 1 table and are unaware of stats/reads/etc. in the middle of a session then you are playing 1 table too many.
This brings up a good question.I've had PT3 for a month and I'm still trying to figure out what the stats mean to me.I started with 1 table,moved to 2,added 2 more,dropped 1 cuz it was too many...I'm comfortably playing 6 now but jumped to 8 then to 10 on that day.The reason is that my Pstars 100% bonus runs out in like 2 months so I thought if I can break even at 8-10 I can jam my bonus.Does this make any sense or is just stupid?
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results? did he have 66 ? O: I'm v v curious about this.
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Answer my bonus questiion and I'll post em
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This brings up a good question.I've had PT3 for a month and I'm still trying to figure out what the stats mean to me.I started with 1 table,moved to 2,added 2 more,dropped 1 cuz it was too many...I'm comfortably playing 6 now but jumped to 8 then to 10 on that day.The reason is that my Pstars 100% bonus runs out in like 2 months so I thought if I can break even at 8-10 I can jam my bonus.Does this make any sense or is just stupid?
Its hard to say. You are unlocking some of the bonus while playing so if you played a similar amount of time while also winning money it might be equivalent or better than just being breakeven and unlocking all of the bonus.

Thing is, whats a bonus worth to you? Being breakeven multitabling to the extent that you dont even know who your playing against isnt gonna be something that you;ll be able to learn from or get anything back for your poker game...so if you used this unlocked b/e bonus to move up then you'll be doing the equivalent of throwing it away.

Meanwhile, im sure your capable of beating 2nl within a month if you just put in the effort, so you could probably nail through that limit and move on to 5nl where you'd unlock the bonus faster + getting better at poker + making money from beating 2nl.

Honestly, its incredibly difficult to unlock a bonus even when 24 tabling 2nl...so imo just use the time to play and move up and get better at poker.

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Good advice.Thanx.Drumroll please...

KQcc...WTF
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You're not still secretly hating me over the reverse implied odds thing are you?
Seeing as how I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, I would say no.
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Seeing as how I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, I would say no.
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Good advice.Thanx.Drumroll please...

KQcc...WTF
I hope u noted that he likes to limp 'danger' hands like KQs in mp and that he goes crazy TP in raised pots.
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lol qft. but in my defense, i still can't figure out if op knew villain was 10/7 at the time or if this was something he found out later in the session.
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lol qft. but in my defense, i still can't figure out if op knew villain was 10/7 at the time or if this was something he found out later in the session.
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Later, BUT the numbers were there i just failed to look at them because i was playing more tables than i could handle
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ummm, in his stats "10/7/60" is the 60 the # of hands u have on him?

if you don't have many hands on him then we really don't know if he is truly a 10/7. I think in most cases 60 hands is enough but I'm not a 10/7 and I've played 10/7 over 60 hands before....
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60 is not the number of hands 102...im assuming 60 is the afq....also fwiw

i have had 4/2 over 100 hands before and 25/19 ....usually i run 15/13 but still 100 hands is a small sample size for sure
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he never has AK here wtf...and look at his turn line, hardly looks like a set to me, esp with the FD on the flop
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