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Laeelin

08-18-2005, 01:03 AM Post subject: Something is really really wrong with this...

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***** Hand History for Game 2552740790 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Wed Aug 17 20:52:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 51996 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: pphater ( $2296)
Seat 2: jman5j ( $2074)
Seat 3: allinenergy ( $1950)
Seat 4: KM1969 ( $2907)
Seat 5: Teacupper ( $2892)
Seat 6: Mike_Reilly ( $1932.50)
Seat 7: prodigy8 ( $830)
Seat 8: Izzy5150 ( $4585)
Seat 9: Surfin_Dude ( $2000)
Seat 10: Jackal86 ( $2261)
allinenergy posts small blind (10)
KM1969 posts big blind (20)
** Dealing down cards **
Teacupper folds.
Mike_Reilly folds.
prodigy8 folds.
Izzy5150 raises (80) to 80
Surfin_Dude folds.
Jackal86 folds.
pphater calls (80)
jman5j raises (350) to 350
allinenergy folds.
KM1969 folds.
Izzy5150 could not respond in time.(disconnected)
Izzy5150 Disconnect Protection enabled.
pphater folds.
Creating Main Pot with $267 with Izzy5150
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, 2d, Qh ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Th ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: $267 | Side Pot 1: $270 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 7h 2d Qh Th Ah ]
pphater balance $2216, lost $80 (folded)
jman5j balance $1994, bet $350, collected $270, lost -$80 [ Kd Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,Kd,Qh,Th ]
allinenergy balance $1940, lost $10 (folded)
KM1969 balance $2887, lost $20 (folded)
Teacupper balance $2892, didn't bet (folded)
Mike_Reilly balance $1932.50, didn't bet (folded)
prodigy8 balance $830, didn't bet (folded)
Izzy5150 balance $4772, bet $80, collected $267, net +$187 [ Qd Tc ] [ two pairs, queens and tens -- Ah,Qd,Qh,Tc,Th ]
Surfin_Dude balance $2000, didn't bet (folded)
Jackal86 balance $2261, didn't bet (folded)

Ouch, there should be a 1 per/10,000 hands DP rule ...

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Greedo017

08-18-2005, 06:03 AM

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***** Hand History for Game 2504447347 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 09, 06:59:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 37712 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: Wahoo2006 ( $269.90 )
Seat 8: JvBleys ( $246.45 )
Seat 9: sandakern ( $37.95 )
Seat 3: duymovochka ( $127.15 )
Seat 6: silversoul ( $48.45 )
Seat 7: Casanova_Fly ( $101.50 )
Seat 1: codemanz4 ( $23.50 )
Seat 2: Soapmakers ( $101.40 )
Seat 10: slider1120 ( $50 )
Seat 4: trattfjant ( $100 )
silversoul posts small blind [$0.50].
Casanova_Fly posts big blind [$1].
trattfjant posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ 3c 3h ]
JvBleys folds.
sandakern calls [$1].
codemanz4 folds.
Soapmakers folds.
duymovochka folds.
>You have options at Table 37167 Table!.
trattfjant raises [$3].
Wahoo2006 calls [$4].
silversoul folds.
Casanova_Fly folds.
sandakern folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 7h, 6d ]
trattfjant bets [$6].
Wahoo2006 calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
trattfjant bets [$11].
Wahoo2006 raises [$22].
trattfjant calls [$11].
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
trattfjant checks.
>You have options at Table 36830 Table!.
Wahoo2006 bets [$40].
trattfjant could not respond in time.(disconnected)
Wahoo2006 shows [ 3c, 3h ] two pairs, sevens and threes.
trattfjant shows [ Ac, Ad ] two pairs, aces and sevens.
Wahoo2006 wins $40 from side pot #1 with two pairs, sevens and threes.
trattfjant wins $63.50 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and sevens.

Dear Kevin,

Thank you for contacting us.

We request you to write to us from the registered email address for future correspondence. This is a security measure we take to safeguard the account specific information of our players. You can see the registered email address by selecting the Cashier button on the bottom of the lobby. (Just as a note, I did e-mail them from my registered e-mail address, but whatever.)

We appreciate you taking the time to report situations of alleged disconnect protection abuse at PartyPoker.com.

Starting with the hand(s) that you sent to us, we performed an investigation that would allow us to examine thoroughly the account in question; *trattfjant*

We have looked into the players records and collected all previous hands in which this player used the protection. Our goal was to look for a pattern where the player usually disconnects in key moments.

Some of the parameters we use when investigating possible protection abuse:

ý The player*s cards at the time of disconnection.
ý The player*s previous action (whether he was betting/raising) and also the actions of the other players at the time of disconnection.
ý The benefit obtained by a player disconnecting
ý The timing of disconnection
ý A players pattern of disconnections
ý Previous allegations made by other players and/or the system

Using the information listed above we have investigated the history of the player thoroughly and have found that not only was the hand you reported suspicious but this player has shown a pattern of suspicious disconnects in the past. Based on this information we have taken away the disconnect protection privilege for this player. In the event he is disconnected in the future his hand will be folded. We have sent an email to the player informing him of the investigation.

We thank you for taking the time to report your suspicions. Keeping the games honest is our highest priority.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you with your account related questions and suggestions.

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Dassin

08-18-2005, 08:22 AM

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Awesome outcome. Now he can play like he's on Prima.

Xeo

08-18-2005, 08:54 AM

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I have mixed feelings about them telling you the outcome. Telling you what they are doing is great, of course, but I'm torn between the satisfaction of knowing he can't do it more later and publicizing the action taken against a member.

But that is pretty bad... There is certainly a huge advantage to being able to get "all-in" protection when someone puts a very large bet in front of you. Why fold at that point when you can force the system to let you play for the money you've already put in? Bah, what crap. I understand the need for it, people do get disconnected, but it sucks that people lose real money when others can use it to cheat.

I do find it interesting that they don't ban the person. Certainly they see more profit in letting the cheater continue to play but just take away his ability to cheat. It makes sense, of course. I just find it interesting.

Greedo017

08-18-2005, 09:09 AM

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I think it is fair that you learn the outcome, as I think nobody would report if you didn't find out the result. And, I guess maybe its questionable whether or not I should post his name on here, but he can always buy my silence for 63.50

biondino

08-18-2005, 10:20 AM

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Why did you play the hand so hard, Greedo? (a side question I know, but I'd have folded pre-flop unless I had very specific reads)

Xeo

08-20-2005, 06:21 PM

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I have another side question. Are you sitting down at these tables with your entire bankroll? I'm taking it so damn slow because I don't want to lose everything I have on one bad run. I started with my $25 deposit and have been playing the penny NL stakes for the last 4 days and had almost doubled it, but today I had my first real run of bad cards and lost a few bucks rather than won it.

Have you hit any bad streaks where you lose a lot? Or are you still steadily making your bankroll grow?

underminedsk

08-21-2005, 02:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeo

Have you hit any bad streaks where you lose a lot? Or are you still steadily making your bankroll grow?

Off topic, but whatever...

EVERYONE has bad streaks. You should get used to them, because they are part of being a profitable poker player.

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Greedo017

08-24-2005, 08:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by biondino

Why did you play the hand so hard, Greedo? (a side question I know, but I'd have folded pre-flop unless I had very specific reads)

don't play a hand like that. the preflop call was easy, i should've just folded the flop. sometimes when i get bored i try to pull shit like this, and it really doesn't work that much but in the end it comes out only a little -EV and its worth the entertainment value to me. This time, I just felt like trying to bluff someone and figured this is the guy. After he checked to me on the river I figured, well here goes. I thought he could've had ak up to there and would've folded it to my river bet, and even aa would be nervous, especially with the board pair that i raised on and his wimpy turn bet.

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