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09-17-2008, 09:05 PM
Post subject: Some of u may laugh, but i need to ask this question?!
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Ok, so i have been playing for around 2 years, doing pretty gd on Fulltilt at the lower limits, recently purchased MacPokerPro which does the job, allthough not as gd, as PT3, and its great for categorising opponents, but im upgrading my mac to run PT3 and other sites such as Party and Stars.
My question is this. Often i see players catergorised by numbers, but i have no idea what they mean! For example, Player X is around 32/22 4.6? Can someone please clarify what this means and how it relates to playing styles etc.
Very much appreciated
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...an-t13407.html
Read this thread. The answer you are looking for is the first thing talked about (#/#).
Good luck.
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*where # appear to be random nos
Villian's PokerTracker Stats. Posts often start, or include information like ... "villian was a 25/12" .... which indicates the % of times he voluntarily puts money in the pot then / the % of times he raises pre-flop.
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The third number is aggression factor.
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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vpip/pfr/af
1) voluntary put in pot
2) pre-flop raise %
3) aggression factor (ratio of betting vs calling)
nice link, but was that really that hard to spell out?
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Originally Posted by Chopper
nice link, but was that really that hard to spell out?
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Not really, but it has been spelled out numerous times throughout every forum. Why not refer to one of the many places the answers can be located? Hence, my link. Also, it kinda covers anymore terminology questions that might arise, which I think is a very good thing, no?
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The best way to reply is probably with the answer to the question and then the link so that people can go there for future questions.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
The best way to reply is probably with the answer to the question and then the link so that people can go there for future questions.
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it was already linked....no need to be redundant.
j/k.  love ya, babe.
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
The best way to reply is probably with the answer to the question and then the link so that people can go there for future questions.
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No offense intended but it's this line of thinking that makes you a better pick for the feedback forum than the beginner's forum imo.
Edit: Okay that came off a little more harsh than I intended. The point is that if you just give them the answer they won't follow the link. Never mind that it's a sticky with the title What the hell does X mean and he's asking what something means.
Edit #2: My original response isn't meant to be an insult, either. Just an observation about the people skills you have (a good thing).
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
The point is that if you just give them the answer they won't think for themselves, and it will hinder their progress
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
The best way to reply is probably with the answer to the question and then the link so that people can go there for future questions.
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No offense intended but it's this line of thinking that makes you a better pick for the feedback forum than the beginner's forum imo.
Edit: Okay that came off a little more harsh than I intended. The point is that if you just give them the answer they won't follow the link. Never mind that it's a sticky with the title What the hell does X mean and he's asking what something means.
Edit #2: My original response isn't meant to be an insult, either. Just an observation about the people skills you have (a good thing). |
Well it definitely depends on what kind of person you have asking the question. If you post a link and make them search for the answer themselves, someone who doesn't really care too much about their learning and progress will maybe look quickly to try to find the answer and then give up in frustration when they can't find it. Someone who actually cares will look for the answer, find it, and then realize just how much more there is in the link you provided.
But then the thing is, that person who cares would also do the same thing even if you posted the answer and also provided the link. If they actually care about learning and getting better, they're not just going to ignore the links that you posted.
Posting the answer and then also the links caters to both types of players and makes it user friendly for everyone. You might say, "well if that person isn't willing to go look up their own answer, then I don't want to help them anyway." I don't really think that is the best thinking, either.
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
You might say, "well if that person isn't willing to go look up their own answer, then I don't want to help them anyway." I don't really think that is the best thinking, either.
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Can you explain why this isn't a perfectly logical way to view the situation, and how this isn't the best line of thinking?
If an individual isn't willing to put forth the effort needed then why would anyone want to spend their time aiding that individual? I could have been harsh and said "GOOGLE", but I didn't. I provided a link, that is actually a sticky and should be read by everyone before posting, and told exactly where to find the answer. Coincidently, the exact same answer you posted.
In all actuality, it shouldn't really matter. I mean as you said an individual who doesn't care will either not look at the link or look and not put the information to good use. Therefore, it is rather pointless to give the answer anyways. Whereas, a player not looking to have their hand held, and that is willing put forth the effort needed, will take the link and learn more than they intended to in the first place.
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
Posting the answer and then also the links caters to both types of players and makes it user friendly for everyone. You might say, "well if that person isn't willing to go look up their own answer, then I don't want to help them anyway." I don't really think that is the best thinking, either.
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I can understand your viewpoint on this. I think the root of the difference of opinion for us is that I've wasted my time with a lot of people who were of the same frame of mind that someone should spoon-feed them the information they're looking for instead of looking it up for themselves. Because of this, I feel like no one will get out of the beginner's stakes if they aren't forced to become pro-active about their own journey in poker. But that really just ties back to the first thing I said:
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
No offense intended but it's this line of thinking that makes you a better pick for the feedback forum than the beginner's forum imo.
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And it's not that there's anything wrong with that. I just thought the responses in this thread were very illustrative of how we have different agendas when helping new players. I'm more concerned with a player's long-term growth, and you would seem to be more concerned with maintaining a good-looking presentation that would encourage people to stay around.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I'm more concerned with a player's long-term growth, and you would seem to be more concerned with maintaining a good-looking presentation that would encourage people to stay around.
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I don't disagree with this at all.
The other things I want to say to you are probably better suited for a PM.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
I'm more concerned with a player's long-term growth, and you would seem to be more concerned with maintaining a good-looking presentation that would encourage people to stay around.
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I don't disagree with this at all.
The other things I want to say to you are probably better suited for a PM. |
Sorry hun, I'm not into Asians.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Do you really want people sticking around who put forth zero individual effort? How small is their chance of ever being a successful poker player, even at micro stakes?
If feel like these "players" end up sticking around being a cancer in the commune, not developing as poker players.
/not endorsing, just saying
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Originally Posted by swiggidy
Do you really want people sticking around who put forth zero individual effort? How small is their chance of ever being a successful poker player, even at micro stakes?
If feel like these "players" end up sticking around being a cancer in the commune, not developing as poker players.
/not endorsing, just saying
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From the standpoint of FTR as a business, yes.
From the standpoint of wanting to keep bad players interested in poker without teaching them shit, yes.
From the standpoint of promoting the best environment for learning, probably not.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
From the standpoint of wanting to keep bad players interested in poker without teaching them shit, yes.
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Well, then clearly the status quo is best.
{way to edit before I snap replied, I like the second reason although it really only benefits the very bottom. Although if they pull stupid shit like slevin maybe not}
There was a post yesterday with pics of the world's shortest man and the woman with the longest legs. I had a dream and the chick was in it. Not explicitly sexual, but had the overtones. For some reason your av made me remember it.
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Sorry hun, I'm not into Asians.
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RACIST! 
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Sorry hun, I'm not into Asians.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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