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ProZachNation

04-04-2008, 04:14 PM Post subject: Some thoughts on "badbeats" and sucking out and YO

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Got thinking about this last night trying to fall asleep and in the shower this morning. I think we are socially programmed to remember the feeling of a bad beat much more than when we suck out.

When we get a bad beat usually then we either are left with no chips or have to rebuy and it sucks. We feel shitty. But we should not if it truly was a bad beat you should reload or find a new table and act like nothing went bad. And make a note on that player on how he played the hand because you won!!! you got your money in good. Instead we slouch and replay the hand in our head and try to figure out what went wrong when in fact everything went right but the poker gods smiling upon you.

The opposite is true when we suck out... we feel good. Fucking hell yes bitch deserved(I found myself saying yesterday, bitch rivered me next hand I bad beat him really bad) but we can not dance and cheer and be happy, we just fucked up. We got our money in bad and sucked out we GAVE a bad beat. Now yes in poker you will always give and take beats(especially in tournament play which has inspired me) so we can partly shake off giving a bad beat.

We need to identify and take notice when we do give beats though and examine the hand to spot if we could have got away from it. Sometime yes you do have good odds to call or your stack determines it so you give a bad beat but you still made the correct play. Other times we make the incorrect play and we have to examine it and make notes and try not to make those mistakes again.

Cliff Notes: Getting bad beated feels bad, BUT IS GOOD(usually)
Bad Beating(Sucking Out) FEELs AWESOME, but is Bad(usually)

Please do not rip me up to bad for the play in the hand it is more of an example.

Previous hand the villain rivered me so I felt vindicated when I should have felt the need to look at my play.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 (t2425)
MP1 (t3630)
MP2 (t6100)
MP3 (t5130)
CO (t2445)
Button (t3465)
SB (t7860)
BB (t6550)
Hero (t3680)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7

, 7

.
Hero raises to t450, 2 folds, MP2 calls t450, 5 folds.

Flop: (t1125) 6

, 8

, Q

(2 players)
Hero bets t3230 (All-In), MP2 calls t3230.

Turn: (t7585) 7

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t7585) J

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t7585

Results in white below:
Hero has 7c 7h (three of a kind, sevens).
MP2 has Jc Qd (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins t7585.

HERO DANCES THEN REALIZES HE MADE A MISTAKE

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Vrax

04-05-2008, 03:57 PM

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Suckouts are just part of your pot equity vs villains range. If you understand this (and fact that it works the other way around - when villains will protect their pot equity vs your range), then you won't get emotional after showing down your hand.

"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy

youngsterrr

04-05-2008, 09:16 PM

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but hey, she had a backdoor str8 draw............this is so standard man..happens every 5 hands

frosst

04-06-2008, 01:40 AM

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its been scientifically proven that traumatic/bad experiences have more of an emotional effect on us that great experiences. how to counter........shut off emotion. by the time anyone has played 20k hands, i dont know how you can still be affected by suckouts. after the first 5-7k hands, it finally sunk in that this is just a part of the game. and if anything it should make you happy knowing the person made a bad call and won because the math says that most of the time you will stack him.

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