some Q9s blind squeeze ldo?

**daven** · 05-22-2012 10:50 AM

pfr is 17-13 w. 80% fold to 3b. callers are weak tight nits
standard squeeze? sizing?

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($54.72)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($26.92)
MP2 ($25)
CO ($25)
BTN ($11.25)
SB ($10.64)
daven (BB) ($33.63)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) daven is BB

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 1 fold, daven raises to $2.70 ...

**Icanhastreebet** · 05-22-2012 12:58 PM

Call pre

**BorisTheSpider** · 05-22-2012 01:15 PM

I'd make it bigger, like $3 or $3.50, but I'm interested in why Icanhastreebet thinks it's a call, as I (currently) wouldn't consider calling here...

**Icanhastreebet** · 05-22-2012 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

I'd make it bigger, like $3 or $3.50, but I'm interested in why Icanhastreebet thinks it's a call, as I (currently) wouldn't consider calling here...

5:1+plays pretty well postflop. It's probably a little bit worst then breakeven. We flop 25%+ equity 30% of the time and flop 40%+ 7% of the time. Couple this with sometimes where we get free cards when we have less then 25% and times where we semi-bluff and take it down or bink etc. and we have a slightly losing play as opposed to a -100bb/hand losing play.

3bing might show a better profit. I can't argue that it won't but coldcalling is a fine option as well.

**rpm** · 05-23-2012 06:30 AM

i don't mind the squeeze here but i'd prefer to go bigger. at least $3.5 i think. this just seems to just make it too cheap for villains to continue against us in position. despite having okay equity/playability postflop, i don't really want this to go multiway (which will happen a lot of the time if MP2 or CO flat) so i go bigger. being OOP, our hands postflop playability decreases as the number of villain increases. fwiw i'd use the same size with my whole squeezing range unless one of the villains was a highly passive fish vs 3b's or whatever.

**Hoopy** · 05-23-2012 10:06 AM

Squeeze slightly bigger imo, like $3.25 - $3.75.

Calling pre is interesting.

**Micro2Macro** · 05-23-2012 09:57 PM

calling >raising >folding

**BorisTheSpider** · 05-23-2012 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

calling >raising >folding

Hi M2M,

Can you elaborate a bit. I either squeeze or fold here, squeezing much more often than I'd fold. I'd like to improve my blind play so I'd appreciate a little more info on why you think calling > squeezing here.

Obviously Icanhas has given some details on why calling is good here, and I understand the odds being offered and it being a playable hand, but why do you think there is definitely _more_ value in calling than taking it down now?

05-22-2012 10:50 AM #1
daven View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message trolling freetrollers Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 7,103 Location soaking up ethanol, moving on up	some Q9s blind squeeze ldo? pfr is 17-13 w. 80% fold to 3b. callers are weak tight nits standard squeeze? sizing? $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem 8 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG ($54.72) UTG+1 ($25) MP1 ($26.92) MP2 ($25) CO ($25) BTN ($11.25) SB ($10.64) daven (BB) ($33.63) Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) daven is BB 3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 1 fold, daven raises to $2.70 ...
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05-22-2012 12:58 PM #2
Icanhastreebet View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2009 Posts 1,410 Location IRC, Come join me!	Call pre

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05-22-2012 01:15 PM #3
BorisTheSpider View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 241 Location UK	I'd make it bigger, like $3 or $3.50, but I'm interested in why Icanhastreebet thinks it's a call, as I (currently) wouldn't consider calling here...

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05-22-2012 01:37 PM #4
Icanhastreebet View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2009 Posts 1,410 Location IRC, Come join me!	Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider I'd make it bigger, like $3 or $3.50, but I'm interested in why Icanhastreebet thinks it's a call, as I (currently) wouldn't consider calling here... 5:1+plays pretty well postflop. It's probably a little bit worst then breakeven. We flop 25%+ equity 30% of the time and flop 40%+ 7% of the time. Couple this with sometimes where we get free cards when we have less then 25% and times where we semi-bluff and take it down or bink etc. and we have a slightly losing play as opposed to a -100bb/hand losing play. 3bing might show a better profit. I can't argue that it won't but coldcalling is a fine option as well.

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05-23-2012 06:30 AM #5
rpm View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2009 Posts 2,845 Location maaaaaaaaaaate	i don't mind the squeeze here but i'd prefer to go bigger. at least $3.5 i think. this just seems to just make it too cheap for villains to continue against us in position. despite having okay equity/playability postflop, i don't really want this to go multiway (which will happen a lot of the time if MP2 or CO flat) so i go bigger. being OOP, our hands postflop playability decreases as the number of villain increases. fwiw i'd use the same size with my whole squeezing range unless one of the villains was a highly passive fish vs 3b's or whatever.

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05-23-2012 10:06 AM #6
Hoopy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2009 Posts 1,666 Location Riverballs	Squeeze slightly bigger imo, like $3.25 - $3.75. Calling pre is interesting.

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05-23-2012 09:57 PM #7
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05-23-2012 11:51 PM #8
BorisTheSpider View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 241 Location UK	Originally Posted by Micro2Macro calling >raising >folding Hi M2M, Can you elaborate a bit. I either squeeze or fold here, squeezing much more often than I'd fold. I'd like to improve my blind play so I'd appreciate a little more info on why you think calling > squeezing here. Obviously Icanhas has given some details on why calling is good here, and I understand the odds being offered and it being a playable hand, but why do you think there is definitely _more_ value in calling than taking it down now?

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