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Raoni_Poker

12-12-2009, 06:31 PM Post subject: Some hands at NL10 6-max

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Hi all,

I was reviewing my last session and these spots are still a bit unclear to me. If you can give any advices about how to play these hands, I'd appreciate.

HAND 1: Facing a maniac.
I lost a lot with this hand. The table was full of donkeys and the villain that called me was a maniac. He was running 61/26 and I was playing tight just for value. However, I decided to second barrel in the turn and he min raised me. I called, but in retrospect, I should have fold to the raise, right? Once I called, should I try a block bet on the river? The most difficult thing here is that a maniac would play this hand the same way regardless of the strength of his hand. I see all the time donkeys bluffing in these spots.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($11.14)
SB ($8.38)
BB ($10.03)
Hero (UTG) ($20.71)
MP ($9.59)
CO ($15.26)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, Q

Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.60) 2

, 10

, Q

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1, CO calls $1, 2 folds

Turn: ($3.60) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, CO raises $3.20, Hero calls $1.60

River: ($10) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero folds

Total pot: $10

Results below:
CO didn't show
Outcome: CO won $14.50

HAND 2: chasing a nut flush.
In this hand I flopped a nut flush draw and I decided to lead the betting. It cost a lot to me, but it seems profitable to me, since it was a multiway pot here, right? Interestingly, the villain who won the pot is the same donkey from the previous hand.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($5.73)
SB ($13.99)
BB ($11.62)
UTG ($10)
Hero (MP) ($10.21)
CO ($13.94)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J

, A

1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.60) 3

, 2

, 7

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.90, Button raises $1.80, 1 fold, BB calls $1.80, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($7) 5

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $3.53 (All-In), BB calls $3.53, Hero calls $3.53

River: ($17.59) 3

(3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $17.59

Results below:
Button had 9

, 7

(two pair, sevens and threes).
BB had 5

, 6

(two pair, fives and threes).
Hero had J

, A

(one pair, threes).
Outcome: Button won $16.72

HAND 3: Remembering to not get fancy in these limits.
Here was a dumb mistake. I decided to isolate limpers, but the timing was not good. I did not see that the first limper was folding only 50% to flop bets. I reraised because he was 40/5 and there is no reason to believe that the caller had a better hand than mine. Is this wrong?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($1.45)
Hero (SB) ($11.09)
BB ($7.98)
UTG ($4.26)
MP ($5.78)
CO ($10.32)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, J

UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Button calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.55, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.40) 9

, 7

, 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, UTG calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.80) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.80

Results below:
UTG didn't show
Outcome: UTG won $3.16

Fortunately, despite these and other losses I managed to get almost even in the session (-10BBs over 375 hands). I appreciate your replies.

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spoonitnow

12-12-2009, 06:52 PM

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JoeHaw

12-12-2009, 06:54 PM

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I think c/f hand 1 is pretty bad. You have to decide if you think villain is minraising you as a bluff or worse queens enough and if he's not fold turn. Otherwise c/c river

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dranger7070

12-12-2009, 07:03 PM

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dranger7070 has a little shameless behaviour in the past

Hand 1: Bet more on the turn ffs. I probably fold if he raises. As played c/f river is fine.

Hand 2: Try to get it in on the flop. Especially since the BB is putting more dead money in the pot.

Hand 3: Is just whatever. I don't mind a c-bet, but checking is fine too.

rpm

12-13-2009, 08:34 AM

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hand 1 - i bet more on the flop ($1.40)because there are lots of hands we get called with which we beat (weaker queens, tens, straight draws, flush draws, maybe even 77-99) and few believable hands which beat us (TT,QQ+,T2,Q2,QT) and most of that range either gets 3bet (QQ+, maybe TT) or folded (T2,Q2) pre anyway. on the turn i probably bet/fold about $2.80 not expecting to be being bluffed often should we get raised.

hand 2 - i bet a little more on the flop and certainly 3bet shove the minraise and caller. we have 35% equity drawing to the nuts, and are in good shape against any one pair hands, weaker FD's, pair/flush draws, or straight draws. anything really except sets or two pairs (there arent many two pair hand combos really because the pot was raised preflop) we have easily enough equity to get it in with, not to mention the fold equity we get when our opponents fold their 1pair hands.

hand 3 - i probably dont cbet this flop as it doesnt appear to hit our range and we only get value if we fold Ax hands (or middle pairs if a good barreling cards falls on turn). that said, im not very clever at picking good cbet boards unless i have reads. i probably fold on the turn to his stupid bet. cant really see him folding often if try to turn our K high into a bluff.

rpm

12-13-2009, 08:38 AM

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in hand 2 i meant we make our flush 35% of the time. our equity is better than 35% if we are up against anything but sets or two pairs.

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12-13-2009, 09:40 AM

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Hand 1: Get your money in on the flop.

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Outlaw

12-13-2009, 03:28 PM

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Hand 1- Betting a bit harder on the flop is okay, the turn is an easy fold. What exactly are you beating that raises there? If your read is he is a maniac and will reraise with worse hands.. then by all means shove. I'd wait for a better spot.. like in hand 2.

Hand 2- Shove flop.. you are a flip at worst against almost any range. Look at the hands they showed down.. you had a ton of fold equity.

Hand 3- I don't like pumping the pot up with a marginal hand oop. If you were on the button this would be fine.

Raoni_Poker

12-13-2009, 03:56 PM

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Thanks, guys...
Definitely, in retrospect, I should put more money in the flop (hand 1).
In hand 2, it could be a shove on the flop, but I dont think a shove on the turn would be the best decision. The guy was playing rather cautious only calling, so...I would take all his money if I made the flush on the river.
In hand 3...this is a leak for me. My Cbet% is 83% in 6 max (before that, I played SnG and full ring). My sample is rather small yet, but I have a negative balance of -8BBs in Cbet hands.

I usually bet a lot of flops (50%), so...when I play at the same tables for a while, they usually get suspicious. It is great when I have a hand. The balance of hands that I bet in the flop (regardless of position) is + 125BBs. However, I should pick better my spots to Cbet.

spoonitnow

12-13-2009, 04:08 PM

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50% isn't a high c-bet.

Raoni_Poker

12-13-2009, 08:09 PM

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My C-bet is 83%, but I bet in 50% of the flops.

inV1NCEble

12-16-2009, 01:06 PM

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I don't get how you can call shoving the flop in hand 2 +ev. That's a huge overshove which is only gonna be called by better hands. You do have alot of fold equity, but that doesn't make it profitable..
I mean openshoving 83o pf also has alot of fold equity but that doesn't make it proftable..

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spoonitnow

12-16-2009, 02:23 PM

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inV1NCEble

12-16-2009, 06:57 PM

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If this is the type of maniac that tries to pull you off your hands alot, but isn't retarded, I would say his callingrange on flop is like 22,33,77-TT,some 23s, 67s,78s sometimes KsQs,KsTs (ofcourse this can include other flushdraws if he is really spewy)
This gives you an equity of: 43%

So.. yeah I'm probably wrong

, still it's a big overbet so why not just bet smaller? (I'm really interested cause I've been frustraded in these spots before)

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microgrinder

12-16-2009, 09:17 PM

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Hand 1: Ya I dunno I guess I'd do the same if I got to river like that. I bet more on the flop and turn and would look to fold or shove on his turn raise depending on how batshit insane villain is.

Hand 2: Looks like a super easy 3bet shove on the flop.

Hand 3: PF is probably okay if you feel alright with oop postflop play. Flop is eww, I wouldn't ever cbet a 40/5 on this flop and 1/2 pot is defn not enough if you are going to.

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