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HarleyGuy13

01-11-2009, 03:18 AM Post subject: Some hands that have me wondering?

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So I have been thinking I need to loosen up a little bit and play more hands. The button is definately an area I need to work on and I suspect these are a few examples of hands I could have played. Please let me know what you think??

1.) So did I FU by not at least limping in to see the flop, or would the better move been to raise ?

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG jamjamtees ($4.30)
UTG+1 pasteurlou ($1.53)
MP1 ShabbyShank ($1.21)
MP2 LOKI_1317 ($3.72)
MP3 BigRedPalmer ($4.80)
CO zav0 ($1.50)
BTN Hero ($2.05)
SB Too Subtle? ($3.01)
BB cjf2008 ($2.99)
[zav0 posted $0.02]

Pre-flop: ($0.05, 9 players) Hero is BTN

jamjamtees calls $0.02, 1 fold, ShabbyShank calls $0.02, LOKI_1317 calls $0.02, BigRedPalmer calls $0.02, zav0 checks, Hero folds, Too Subtle? calls $0.01, cjf2008 checks

2.) This one I am not 100% sure if I did the wrong thing as it was raised but that may have been an effort to steal the blinds.

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG NIV1301 ($0.94)
UTG+1 marc_ev ($2.30)
MP iamsnake ($1.99)
CO Trojan_Panda ($5.60)
BTN Hero ($2.50)
SB gotTaluVit77 ($1.98)
BB EliTe4c3 ($3.13)

Pre-flop: ($0.03, 7 players) Hero is BTN

NIV1301 calls $0.02, marc_ev raises to $0.04, 1 fold, Trojan_Panda calls $0.04, Hero folds, gotTaluVit77 raises to $0.30, 1 fold, NIV1301 calls $0.28, marc_ev goes all-in $2.30, Trojan_Panda folds, gotTaluVit77 goes all-in $1.68, NIV1301 goes all-in $0.64

3.) Again I really think I should have seen the flop atleast on this one. Amirite?

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG joblogs ($1.86)
UTG+1 Nasty Tom ($3.09)
CO Head Trauma9 ($5.00)
BTN Hero ($2.00)
SB almine96 ($2.97)
BB str8beast85 ($1.63)

Pre-flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is BTN

1 fold, Nasty Tom calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero folds, almine96 calls $0.01, str8beast85 checks

So I'm not going to waist your time by posting tons of these examples. Please let me know if I am correct in my thinking on these. I think I will post examples from other positions and see what kind of feedback I get. As usual any advice/criticism will be welcomed!

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Parasurama

01-11-2009, 05:33 AM

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Hand 1, calling is my standard here but I'll raise if the limpers are habitual limp/folders. Never never fold. J9s on the BTN in a limped pot, as long as you play well postflop, is a goldmine imo.

Hand 2, so what if it's an attempt to steal the blinds? You folded J9s on the button when it was limped so why think about calling with 35s? Also, this is terribly unlikely to be a steal considering it's a minraise and there's a limper. This is either a pot sweetener/weak isolation raise with a drawing hand or small pair or someone trying to appear weak while still building the pot with a big hand. I like calling here but you're reasoning is poor.

Hand 3, I like a raise, isolating limpers from the button is nearly always +EV. A fold is ok if the blinds are playing loose. Calling can be profitable too depending on how poorly the limper/blinds play postflop.

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01-11-2009, 05:45 AM

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H1 I would call. In position, not likely to be raised, great odds, see flop. I don't like limping on the button but I'd make an exception here.

H2 is similar but I would fold because it's more limited in terms of showdown value and it's a raised pot.

H3 I fold. The worst suited K I isolate with there is KT, but I may be too nitty in that way. Nothing wrong with raising there if you have the appropriate reads I suppose.

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01-11-2009, 05:51 AM

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Hand No.1
Yep, I would personally call that. It is a hand that flops great and you are getting sweet odds. You flop well or toss. If any of those callers is weak tight and hits TPTK, you are going to make bank with the right straight or flush draw.

Hand No.2
If you you could of called for 0.04, then sure, it's a fine call but after the 0.30 raise, I don't like calling with this hand since you need a great flop to make cash with it. The math is worse then flopping a set and even with a set Harrington would say we want both stacks at 20x...villain is under $6 and hero is way way less that 20x so there is not enough profit to be made if you hit.

Hand No.3
I think this is a fold. This is not a suited connector and this is not a nut flush draw. I think you were correct in folding as this is a leak. What kind of flop would make you happy with K7s? I would be happy with a flop of kk7 which is rare lol. You made a good fold.

Summary -> Call hand 1 since it was cheap and a great SC one gapper. Fold hand 2 because the price was too high. Fold hand 3 because it is toilet paper.

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01-11-2009, 05:59 AM

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What kind of flop would make you happy with K7s? I would be happy with a flop of kk7 which is rare lol. You made a good fold.

If the vill is a calling station, any K or 7 high or two-flushed pot. If the donk limp-calls and folds to cbets often then there are a jillion flops to like.

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01-11-2009, 06:39 AM

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Hand 1: Call. You have a decent suited one gapper with lots of limpers already in the hand (for implied odds if you hit). Also you have position. And the amount of limpers might deter one of the blinds from raising.

Hand 2: Fold. 35s is a horrible hand. On top of that you are facing a raise and a call before you and your position sorta sucks. I don't even call with this in the SB.

Hand 3: I fold this and find a new table. Your first two hands were from full ring and this has 6 people. I play on a table until there are more than two people sitting out, then I go find a different one. It's not good to switch between 6max and full ring when you are just starting out. Anyways, back to the hand. I might limp something like this behind 2+ limpers and look for a flush. If it was folded to you on the button and you had something like KTs this is a lol raise for a steal. But here I just don't like playing weak suited kings in pots I raised. The limper very well could have a better king, or even an ace and have you dominated. Not to mention you're just racing against the pocket pairs he limps here also.

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01-11-2009, 06:44 AM

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There is a great article written by spoonitnow on this sort of thing. He talks about when you should raise vs limp when someone has limped behind, gives examples etc. Definately check this out: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...rs-t66631.html

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01-11-2009, 04:09 PM

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Thanks for the replys

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