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nish81

07-10-2009, 05:19 PM Post subject: some 2nl hands and questions

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hey

so i've got a few hands that i'd appreciate a look at.
first a general question about playing AK at 2nl preflop. more specifically, about 3betting with it preflop. i read this article, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ak-t31191.html , which says that AK is valuable preflop partly because of it's good fold equity, as you could fold out mid pocket pairs. (i also read renton's preflop strategy guide which says that you should 3bet with it). but according to that link, you'll only hit a helpful 1/3 of the time with AK, and since IMO one has less fold equity at 2nl (i think people would call a 3bet preflop with mid pocket pairs), just how good is it generally to 3bet with AK preflop at 2nl?

hand 1:

- im not sure if my chatting affected anything here lol.
- villain has played for 8-10 hands, no clear reads, 60/10 over that sample

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($2.26)
UTG ($1.10)
MP1 ($0.85)
MP2 ($1.62)
CO ($1.97)
Button ($7.06)
SB ($2.36)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, J

5 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

- preflop, tbh i only called because i thought he might hold air and be trying to steal the blinds. looking back i guess that suited connectors have a good chance of hitting a nice draw on the flop and he has a big enough stack to pay me off?

Flop: ($0.12) 10

, 2

, 6

(2 players)
SB bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.12

- postflop, I put him on 66/TT/88+/Tx, and he could also be c-betting with many missed broadways. i probably should have raised a bit higher to .24. i'm going by the general maxim that aggression is better than playing passive, and raising here also makes him play his range more transparently and reduces the likelihood that he'll try bluffing on later streets IMO. plus with TPGK i think i'm ahead on the flop and want to get money in while i'm still ahead.

Turn: ($0.52) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold

- am I accidentally repping a 6x on the turn? and are worse hands really calling on the turn bet? on the other hand, I thought I could take the pot down here with a bet, but im not sure whether that's a good reason to bet. I guess a 99/88/77 might still call, or a worse Tx.

Total pot: $0.52 | Rake: $0

hand 2:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($1.98)
CO ($4.08)
Button ($0.67)
SB ($8.76)
BB ($1)
Hero (UTG) ($2.53)
UTG+1 ($1.98)
MP1 ($2.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, K

Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.08, MP2 calls $0.08, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.27) 6

, Q

, 8

(3 players)
Hero ?

- should I c-bet the flop? since it's a 3way pot - and each person needs to fold 57.8% to a half-pot sized c-bet to make it profitable on fe alone.

hand 3:

- villain is 50/17 over 70 hands. hasnt played against many threebets, 2.25 af.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($1.84)
UTG ($4.08)
UTG+1 ($0.67)
MP1 ($8.75)
MP2 ($0.97)
Hero (CO) ($2.80)
Button ($2)
SB ($1.96)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, K

UTG bets $0.06, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.06, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.18, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.12, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) Q

, 6

, 9

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24

- should i raise here on the flop? i'm probably ahead of her range here (behind 66, 99, and QQ, but ahead of missed broadways and Qx). but if i raise, is she calling with enough to give me value? probably folds missed broadways here and maybe any straight draws, so really would i just be folding worse and getting better to call? i might get action from queens..

Turn: ($0.93) 5

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.50

minraise

if i'm going to shove on the river anyways, then i should probably raise to more here right?

River: ($2.93) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.38 (All-In), UTG calls $1.38

Total pot: $5.69 | Rake: $0.25

<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

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Vinland

07-10-2009, 09:57 PM

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To answer the 3bet question w/ AK:
I would still 3bet AK even at 2nl. You don't necessarily want huge fold equity preflop at 2nl IMO b/c you are hoping that even after 3 betting, that someone will come along with KQ or AT, etc... Usually after the flop, and you cbet, then the fold equity comes into play and you take a decent pot when they're cards dont connect.

You still need to 3 bet though, the last thing you want is to just flat call and have a 3-4 way pot. 3bet it. You will often still have someone call with other broadway hands or mid PP that will be scared of the flop when overs arrive.

Hand 1)
He probably had overs and floated the flop. Your turn bet isn't strong and he still folded so he probably had little.

Hand 2)
Can't answer that unless I know if the villains were loose passive. If one of them is a call machine/maniac, then I wouldn't cbet. C/C might be an option.
If the villains are passive then I cbet this flop to $.20 - $.25.
Some may argue that you lose value with the AK and that they'll only call with better and fold worse but I don't like giving 2 villains the chance to suck out after they call a small cbet.

Hand 3) Difficult for me to answer...
I probably dont get away here and I lose the stack.
Looks like he hit his set and he's stringing along a bit.
Really tough to answer. The fact that he donked into you and called the reraise on the turn (just shove rather than minbet) tells me you are behind.

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07-10-2009, 11:31 PM

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A 3b at NL2 with AK is for value. When someone calls your 3b with Ax or Kx you want to stack them on an Axx or Kxx flop. If you're OOP you will often miss the chance to get in a bet if you just flat call. Furthermore, if you c/r, bet turn, bet river it's a really strong line and someone might fold top pair with a bad kicker putting you on a set.

Hand 1. I wouldn't raise flop. You said you didn't want him to bluff you on later streets. But if you think he's going to bluff you on the turn, why not call flop and call turn? It puts the same amount of money in, but it gets more value from his bluffs. If he has you beat with a better ten he might check river and you'd check it back. If he gives up on the bluff you'll also check it back. You end up putting in two bets. The way you played it if he has a better ten he's calling turn and checking river, you end up putting in three bets, but if he has a bluff and wanted to see what you did on the turn he ends up folding turn, he ends up putting in two bets.

So I'd call two streets and decide river.

Hand 2: I expect both of them to fold about 50% of the time, but you'll also turn an ace or a king or bluff them or show down ace high some of the time so I think a cbet is fine.

Hand 3: Just don't fold

nish81

07-11-2009, 04:20 PM

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Thanks guys, I see that AK does dominate most other broadways that people would be likely to call with, so I feel better about c-betting it again.

ioqp, I see your point about hand 1. basically if i raise the flop, i'm folding out a lot of worse hands that I could have let villain turn into a bluff and comfortably call from IP right? and with such a dry flop, a lot of his calling range could be from better tens and sets. so i'm missing out on value from bluffs and weaker tens.

Vinland, "but I don't like giving 2 villains the chance to suck out after they call a small cbet.", wait what? do you mean that you'd c-bet so that they dont have an easy chance to suck out on you?

<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

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JR: man to man
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surviva316

07-11-2009, 04:35 PM

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i think vinland meant don't do a rinky dink cbet?

hand one: don't raise flop as iopq articulated. as played DEF don't bet turn because we don't need to protect from any more than 3 or maybe 6 outs. also, never fold this pre. IP in bvb JTs not only has value as SC but also much better value than usual as a TP type hand.

hand two: cbet is fine, but it's a bit opponent dependent.

hand three: don't raise flop because of how it changes his range and how it changes how the hand is played on later streets and the A is the only card we really hate seeing. turn shove is ok 'cause a lot of worse Q's call depending on the opponent but i prefer call turn/call pretty much any river (an A river sucks but it still might be a call)

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nish81

07-11-2009, 09:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by surviva316

i think vinland meant don't do a rinky dink cbet?

oh right

Quote:

hand one: don't raise flop as iopq articulated. as played DEF don't bet turn because we don't need to protect from any more than 3 or maybe 6 outs. also, never fold this pre. IP in bvb JTs not only has value as SC but also much better value than usual as a TP type hand.

Hm. so basically i'm not enough getting value from my turn bet; most worse hands are folding and better hands are calling here?

Quote:

hand two: cbet is fine, but it's a bit opponent dependent.

hand three: don't raise flop because of how it changes his range and how it changes how the hand is played on later streets and the A is the only card we really hate seeing. turn shove is ok 'cause a lot of worse Q's call depending on the opponent but i prefer call turn/call pretty much any river (an A river sucks but it still might be a call)

thanks

<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds

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