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martindcx1e
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09-14-2006, 09:46 PM
Post subject: So What's the Big Deal with HUD's?
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So I haven't really used an HUD too much while playing before. I tried Gametime+ for a bit but it bugs me having all that crap onscreen everywhere. I currently play 25NL and will be moving to 50NL in the near future. I'm wondering what PT #'s everyone thinks are most important, what to expect from certain #'s, and what kind of adjustments you make when you see a certain type of player. Off the top of my head I think I remember using the W$@SD % most of all when dealing with opponents. If having an HUD really is that valuable I guess I can tolerate it, but I don't think I take full advantage of using one.
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Renton
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just use it to monitor tightness/agressiveness
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AHiltz
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number of flops they see
% preflop raises
folds to cbet
just a few I can think of right away
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Nova442
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Absolutely key stats you need to have are:
VPIP
PFR
Aggression factor (I do by street)
#hands
I also add folds to bet by street, and wtsd/w$sd so I can get a good idea of who is good to bluff off hands and who I should be value betting hard and what lines will tend to optimize my river play.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Nova442
Absolutely key stats you need to have are:
VPIP
PFR
Aggression factor (I do by street)
#hands
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I had KK. I raised 4xBB preflop. Player with VPIP of 10/PFR of 4 reraised me to 12xBB. I folded. He showed AA. That's why you need to use a HUD.
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Another reason you need a HUD is table/seat selection. PAHUD has paid for itself times five in my experience.
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Pelion
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i like % folds to cbet. The higher the better
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Jimmy Mac
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I just have VP$IP/PFR/AF/# hands. Then when I'm in a hand with someone i click the box to see the rest of the stats. I don't like too many numbers cluttering up my screen. The main other ones I take note of are the WSD, and W$WSF, to get an idea of how often they call down, and how many pots they are winning through aggression. I have gametime+, not pokerace hud so I can't get cbet stats and some of the others stuff.
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martindcx1e
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how does pokerace determine cbet stats from pt? how can i figure that out on my own?
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They're great if you want to miss things like if an opponent is tilting because you're basing your reads on how they played in the past.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
They're great if you want to miss things like if an opponent is tilting because you're basing your reads on how they played in the past.
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stuff like that is kinda tough to pick up when you are playing 600-900 hands per hour
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dont use huds at low stakes games until you have plaed enough hands and can put people on cards.
hand reading ability without a HUD > anything a HUD will ever be able to tell you.
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
They're great if you want to miss things like if an opponent is tilting because you're basing your reads on how they played in the past.
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stuff like that is kinda tough to pick up when you are playing 600-900 hands per hour |
do not agree
will not agree
But will agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by Renton
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
They're great if you want to miss things like if an opponent is tilting because you're basing your reads on how they played in the past.
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stuff like that is kinda tough to pick up when you are playing 600-900 hands per hour |
do not agree
will not agree
But will agree to disagree. |
I agree... with Miffed.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Renton
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i didn't say it was impossible, but i think you are leaving money on the table if you playing 8 or more tables sans hud
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Yeah, well you're leaving money on the table (usually in the form of their entire stack) if you're not paying enough attention to get involved with a tilting player for example.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Renton
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yes, of course. But you are saying it like if someone has a hud they automatically will become oblivious to the tilting person. It isn't like, "man with all this hud in my face, i am just not sure if this guy is tilting!"
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silu73
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A stoner like me needs PAHUD as brain is too fried to collect and remember betting patterns of others at the table.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
how does pokerace determine cbet stats from pt? how can i figure that out on my own?
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anyone?
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TerryToma
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09-15-2006, 05:27 AM
Post subject: Re: So What's the Big Deal with HUD's?
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
So I haven't really used an HUD too much while playing before. I tried Gametime+ for a bit but it bugs me having all that crap onscreen everywhere. I currently play 25NL and will be moving to 50NL in the near future. I'm wondering what PT #'s everyone thinks are most important, what to expect from certain #'s, and what kind of adjustments you make when you see a certain type of player. Off the top of my head I think I remember using the W$@SD % most of all when dealing with opponents. If having an HUD really is that valuable I guess I can tolerate it, but I don't think I take full advantage of using one.
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i still just use gametime+.. the VPIP/PFR + the occasional aggression factor is all i need to put them on hands.. for example for PFR stats this is a rough idea what goes through my head when i see them play:
4%-AK/AQ,TT+
12%-AT+, all PPs
17%-AT+, KQ+, all PPs
25%-Axs+, QT+, All pps
32%+-anything suited+
if someone with a high vpip is calling me down its easier to put them on a flush draw..
also i save/make a lot of money against people that have never raised and all of a sudden raise.. thats when its time to try and see a cheap flop and crack their aces.
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flotu
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
how does pokerace determine cbet stats from pt? how can i figure that out on my own?
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Don't know about pokerace but in Poker Office a continuation bet is when someone raise preflop and bets out on the flop. If they bet out half of the time they raise preflop, their cbet% will be 50%.
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Originally Posted by Renton
yes, of course. But you are saying it like if someone has a hud they automatically will become oblivious to the tilting person. It isn't like, "man with all this hud in my face, i am just not sure if this guy is tilting!"
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it can be little things you notice while you have to watch more hands and pay better attention etc.
Fwiw, i 8 table 6max (i only wish i could do a gabe and 10+ table) without HUD and i find i make very few weak looking folds or bad call downs which are often the sign imo of misjudging an opponent.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
how does pokerace determine cbet stats from pt? how can i figure that out on my own?
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Don't know about pokerace but in Poker Office a continuation bet is when someone raise preflop and bets out on the flop. If they bet out half of the time they raise preflop, their cbet% will be 50%. |
isn't there also a "folds to cbet" percentage?
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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Pelion
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yes.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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KrazyBluffer
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I would just like to add that a HUD is a "TOOL", and just like any other tool, the more experience you have with it, the better you will become with the tool.
You could think of the tool as a seperate part of your poker game.You must study it, learn it, and then use it to your best advantage. Will you be a pro-HUD player when you first use it. NO! But will you continue to make better use of it with experinece. YES!
Also for the tilting thing people are talking about. What are the signs of tilt??
The person just lost a big hand, comes out raising and betting big on the flop??? Why not just have the software track this and put up a warning sign "Possible Tilt"???
Most of the people on this forum have been really helpful, but sometimes you need to think of new ideas, instead of being so negative.
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MiJ
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i love that i have stats on most players at a table before i even sit down and play....
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andmunn
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Where can i find more about HUD's ? Or...even what it is  need clarification...sounds like a useful tool.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Pelion
yes.
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how does the HUD figure this stat out? it must get it from PT so how would one figure it out w/o the HUD?
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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andy-akb
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I change my overlay stats based on the site Im at. At party I can fit more than at ongame, etc.
At party this is my setup:
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