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azureXsmurF
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11-29-2005, 10:13 PM
Post subject: Small/Medium PP vs limpers...
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Okay, so I'm BB with pocket 6s. I get 4 callers, should I raise and try to force people limping with crap hands to fold, or should I check to possibly get a set for free?
EDIT: This was a hand I played early on in a NLHE freeroll on Pokerstars (one of the ones that qualifies you for a prize money tournament), so a lot of fish were still there, two of the callers seemed to be playing pretty well, taking down many pots and whenever it went to a showdown they had a hand.
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Irisheyes
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11-29-2005, 10:34 PM
Post subject: Re: Small/Medium PP vs limpers...
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Originally Posted by azureXsmurF
r should I check to possibly get a set for free?
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most definitly. You want other people to hit their A or whatever on the flop so you can take chips off them with your well disguised set.
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azureXsmurF
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11-29-2005, 11:47 PM
Post subject: Re: Small/Medium PP vs limpers...
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by azureXsmurF
r should I check to possibly get a set for free?
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most definitly. You want other people to hit their A or whatever on the flop so you can take chips off them with your well disguised set. |
That's what I figured (and what I ended up doing). The only thing that made me wonder if I should maybe just put a 4BB raise was that it was a pretty loose table, and didn't want anyone to hit a better hand after a ragged flop.
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Miffed22001
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always take the free card
Its btter you flop a free monster than try to buy the pot and end up putting chips into a wasted effort especially an mtt.
Of course, you can always gambOOl.... 
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Lukie
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easy check
flop em or drop em
no reason to put another chip into the pot unless you spike a 6, or get some other kind of very favorable cards.
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underminedsk
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my favored play in this situation is to raise 1-2xbb (some amount that everyone will most likely to call), to try to get the pot a bit bigger when I do hit my set.
It seems to be working so far, but do people think this is worth it, or will I lose money in the long run by doing this?
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AHiltz
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If you are raising 1-2bb to build a pot, me thinks your postflop skills need work.
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underminedsk
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Originally Posted by AHiltz
If you are raising 1-2bb to build a pot, me thinks your postflop skills need work.
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This was my thinking:
Most of the pot building still comes post flop, but if I can spend 2xbb to pump a 5xbb pot to a 15xbb pot preflop, then I think thats worth it. The guy that flops top pair will have to lead for 10-15xbb to protect his hand, instead of 3, and at that point its going to become pretty hard for him to get away from the hand without losing a large chunk or all of his stack, especially if it goes three-way to the turn. Plus, the dead money from the other callers will help pay for the times that I raise and dont hit my set.
Basically to me it seems like im spending 2xbb to make the final pot 2-3x as big. It seems worth it to me.
Thoughts?
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azureXsmurF
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If you are raising 1-2bb to build a pot, me thinks your postflop skills need work.
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This was my thinking:
Most of the pot building still comes post flop, but if I can spend 2xbb to pump a 5xbb pot to a 15xbb pot preflop, then I think thats worth it. The guy that flops top pair will have to lead for 10-15xbb to protect his hand, instead of 3, and at that point its going to become pretty hard for him to get away from the hand without losing a large chunk or all of his stack, especially if it goes three-way to the turn. Plus, the dead money from the other callers will help pay for the times that I raise and dont hit my set.
Basically to me it seems like im spending 2xbb to make the final pot 2-3x as big. It seems worth it to me.
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The only problem would be if you get a run of smaller pps and never hit your set, you lose a lot of money you could use on another pot.
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If you raise pre-flop with low pockets and (at 2nd best get 1 caller), you are probably only a coinflip from there, excluding positional power.
Check. If you hit the devil, you'll have 4 others trying to win a pot that you'll probably be ahead in.
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Originally Posted by BankItPayette
If you raise pre-flop with low pockets and (at 2nd best get 1 caller), you are probably only a coinflip from there, excluding positional power.
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With lots of money behind, positional power is everything. Quite often the better hand pair has to fold post-flop and the over-cards fold without seeing a turn or river.
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by azureXsmurF
The only problem would be if you get a run of smaller pps and never hit your set, you lose a lot of money you could use on another pot.
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This is a really bad way to think about any poker situation. No decision should be based on getting a 'run' of any sort. Every deal of the cards is a completely independant event. You need to start thinking about the long long term where all 'runs' tend towards an infinite average.
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ponyboy
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Originally Posted by azureXsmurF
This is a really bad way to think about any poker situation. No decision should be based on getting a 'run' of any sort. Every deal of the cards is a completely independant event. You need to start thinking about the long long term where all 'runs' tend towards an infinite average.
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This should be on a sticky note above my computer. Amen.
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