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celtic123
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01-08-2009, 02:28 PM
Post subject: slowplaying
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Im trying to develop card reading and putting people on ranges.
Im watching what villains do UTG ,OOP etc.
Ive spotted one villian inparticular limped with KK , JJ (he won these pots).
Then got married to 88 and got stacked, all in one orbit
I have seen him lose AI with K3o
All these shenanegans were never against me.
Are these types hard to play against?
Its like his range is 100% , what should I label him?
Loose passive donk with matramonial tendancies?
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Blazing_Saddler
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01-08-2009, 02:42 PM
Post subject: Re: slowplaying
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Originally Posted by celtic123
Im trying to develop card reading and putting people on ranges.
Im watching what villains do UTG ,OOP etc.
Ive spotted one villian inparticular limped with KK , JJ (he won these pots).
Then got married to 88 and got stacked, all in one orbit
I have seen him lose AI with K3o
All these shenanegans were never against me.
Are these types hard to play against?
Its like his range is 100% , what should I label him?
Loose passive donk with matramonial tendancies?
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Easy money, look for him every time you log in to your poker account.
Well you know he limps with any hand, including premiums. Watch how he plays post flop with different hand strengths, then isolate him in position if possible. If he shoves over the top, then you know what to do.
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ok you said he limped in with his big pocket pair's (KK, JJ, etc.) explain what he did when he played 88 and the K3o hand.
Did he limp? Raise? How big was his stack for each of these hands? These are the questions you should be asking yourself to give yourself a better idea of what he might have.
You can't just label a guy "maniac" and expect to know EXACTLY what that means when you see him at a different table 2 weeks down the road. Hope this helps.
Dustin
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TLR
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You need to note the position he did it in, some aggro players limp big pairs in EP intending to C-R
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celtic123
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Originally Posted by "Blazing_Saddler
Well you know he limps with any hand, including premiums. Watch how he plays post flop with different hand strengths, then isolate him in position if possible. If he shoves over the top, then you know what to do.
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Originally Posted by dranger7070
Did he limp? Raise? How big was his stack for each of these hands? These are the questions you should be asking yourself to give yourself a better idea of what he might have.
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Originally Posted by TLR
You need to note the position he did it in, some aggro players limp big pairs in EP intending to C-R
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Thanks guys .As it happens , I didnt record his positions. The KK,JJ and 88 were all in one orbit. 6handed NL So Id say he isnt positionally aware either.
But I see what you all say.
Build a bigger picture.
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celtic123
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hey, talk of the devil, hes just turned up at my very table, small world.
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Originally Posted by celtic123
The KK,JJ and 88 were all in one orbit. 6handed NL So Id say he isnt positionally aware either.
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are you suggesting he's positionally unaware because he played these three hands in one orbit? if so im nto sure i understand what you mean.
these hands are a raise from any position in 6max, so even if he'd played the, all from UTG it'd tell you nothing about how he views position.
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celtic123
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Ah, yes , I did suggest that , A gross error.
I didnt record his positions . I should have left it at that.
I convinced myself he wasnt positionally aware without evidence.
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theoretically, if his range was 100% of the hands that he could possibly continue with, he'd be an easy opp to figure out and destroy.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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celtic123
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ok. This is my last FTR post until I have read these two books.
The theory of Poker
Harrington on Hold'em
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Robb
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ok. This is my last FTR post until I have read these two books.
The theory of Poker
Harrington on Hold'em
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Lot's of people who post here either haven't read them or forgot what they read. Keep posting and learning here AND read some books, imo.
This villain you have found seems to be suffering from LOTS of great leaks. These seem to be his most obvious ones:
1. Extreme looseness preflop
2. Calling-station tendencies postflop
3. FPS (fancy play syndrome) especially with premium hands
4. Bluffs too often (at micros most decent "bluffs" are actually semi-bluffs, "bluffs" with outs) and with total air.
I think what folks are trying to say above is that each of these conditions is exploitable in different ways, so you'd like to gather more information on how to tell when he's being a station vs. when he's trying some "fancy play" with a big hand, when he's vulnerable because of his bluffing tendencies, etc. You've identified his major leaks, now just try to notice what tipoffs he'll give you about which leak he's falling prey to in which hands.
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