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Well, I shouldn't say "destroyed", that was just for an attention catching title. We all know David Sklansky, the revered math genius and author that created the famous hand rankings we are all so familiar with. What many poker players fail to realize is that poker is not only a game of math, but a game of luck. The basic premise and underlying theory of Sklansky rankings is that when you have a numerical advantage against an opponent, you have a better chance at winning. This is where he was right, but he missed something else completely that makes his rankings flawed. Let me show you an example, backed by a real life event. My brother and I like to play heads up poker against one another and gamble small amounts, like a dollar. It gives us an incentive to play seriously, but at the same time we can gamble and try our luck without risk. So let's examine the final hand: I am dealt: 7*6 offsuit Flop: 358 rainbow - Action, I bet, he reraises, I push (double belly buster). Turn: 3 River: K We turn over the cards- he has J*4 offsuit. You'd figure that since I have at least 7 straight-making cards, and 6 that I can be paired with, I'd have a good chance at winning. But that is not how poker works. He wins with Jack high. Why did he win? Here is the reason (and the basis of my hypothesis). I did not have numerical advantage. If you view the cards simply as numbers, then you will understand what I mean: 2-10 represent the numbers they are. Jack = 11 Queen = 12 King = 13 Ace = 14. To understand numerical advantage multiply the cards by each other. Thus; A*J = 154, 7*6 = 42, J*4 = 44, Q*K= 156. In that hand, I would've never won with AJ, despite the fact that Sklansky would consider hand to be dominant over QK. However, if I had QK, I would've won. AJ would've certainly beat J4, and 76 never had a chance against any of the other 3 hands described. This is because of numerical advantage. Sklansky had it right, but this is where he failed. A6 is supposedly dominant over K7, but A*6 = 84 and K*7 = 91. A difference of 7 by numerical advantage. You may be wondering how this is possible, how could K*7 be dominant over A*6? You are brainwashed by Sklansky and the sheep that treat his books like the Bible and his rankings like the ten commanments! You are the same person who cusses "HOW THE F*CK DID MY A9 GET BUSTED BY QJ, WTF?!", screams, and throws a fit every time he is "supposed to win" because you had a "dominant hand" (according to Sklansky!) Poker, at it's very fundamental, is a game of MATH and LUCK. MATH and LUCK are similar, but very different at the same time. MATH depends on Raw Numbers, Logic, and Reason to succeed. LUCK relies on pure Randomness, Chance, and the Synchronicity of numbers to succeed. Synchronicity is the key word, and I will explain that now. Synchronicity is where the cards align together harmoniously. K7 is more synchronous than A6 for one simple fact. There is less space between the numbers. The closer the numbers are together, the more chance they have at succeeding, this is the LUCK portion of determing your chance at winning. The joy of luck is that you never know what to expect, it is completely random, and that's what makes poker such a fun game. It really is true that "any two cards can win". However, with credit to math, it is also true that "some two cards are usually alot better than other two cards". Math and Luck are like Yin and Yang. They both have the potential and ability to f*ck each other. Literally. Sklansky's Math and YoungDro's Luck will never coincide peacefully. They will eternally be at war. They will never win the war, for they are both equal and as powerful as the other. It's 50/50. Einstein once said "God doesn't play dice with the Universe." Dice is an expression of mathematics (and gambling). But I propose the question "What if God played dice with the Universe and lost the bet to Randomness?" I will not lie nor be ashamed to admit that I am a man and believer of God. (Order) This is why I do not rely on luck to win at poker, I do not chase draws. I rely on pairs. However, you must also recognize the existence of and believe in Randomness. (Chaos). Players that are random by nature may be the unnaturally lucky players that always hit their draws that you may have had the misfortune of coming across. It always seems very "Evil" when you get drawn out on, doesn't it? And doesn't it seem "Good" when your pairs hold up? This is the conclusion of my philosophy and theory. Hopefully my words have rang true in someone's heart. I realize that their will be criticism and even people who will try to point out flaws and holes in my own theory. I realize that my theory is not perfect, and truthfully nothing is perfect due to Order's eternal struggle with Chaos. There will always be synchronicity to maintain balance so that neither is always dominant over the other. I understand that I have not taken the Power of Pocket Pairs or Suits into consideration with this theory. Perhaps I will expound on them at a later date. I am not a math genius, but if you wish to further your understanding on your own, then I'd highly suggest studying about Divine numbers, Prime numbers, Fibonacci sequences, the Golden number, Pi, and other like math concepts that are supernatural and random in nature. Thank you for reading, and I hope this has enlightened someone. If you wish to donate a dollar ($1 USD) as compensation for my work (I am flat broke and having trouble depositing due to credit debt) [Pokerstars username is Y0UNGDR0 with zero's for the O's.] I would be greatly appreciative and thankful for your generosity! -Y0UNGDR0 - 4/16/07 - Copyright |
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PS it would be a good start for you to learn what a dominating hand actually is. (HINT - you don't currently know) |
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I stopped reading halfway through (around where you introduce luck) First, there is already a way to compare hand strengths, pokerstove. It's free. If you're going to introduce a numerical system you need to show why it's better than what we have. FWIW you were behind Code:
Board: 3h 5s 8d
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Hand 0: 54.040% 54.04% 00.00% 77040 0.00 { J4o }
Hand 1: 45.960% 45.96% 00.00% 65520 0.00 { 76o }
If you actually care about getting better at poker start reading and come back when you are ready to seek the truth. You should be ecstatic your brother will call with J high and a gutshot draw, with a minute amount of skill you will pwn him. We've heard this idea hundreds of times and you're wrong. |
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WOW... I have to chime in! Hm, where did you get this numbering system? Quote:
Your argument doesn't mention anything about the money making potential of hands. This is really what is all about. The value of a hand does not ABSOLUTELY equal anything. It is all a very dynamic variable. AK may not be as good of a hand as 76s in certain situations. As far as all these stuff about how cards are better when they are closer together. Yes, this is obvious. However, there is a REASON for that(they make straights). Saying that K7o is betting than A6o just because the cards are closer together is really silly. First of off, neither hands make straights using both cards. You mention nothing of practical things like domination. If you feel this strongly about that point. A7o vs K7o. K7 has less "space" between the two cards, is K7o a better hand? You will notice on the hand charts that JTs and QJs are ranked close in value on Sklansky's chart because JTs has more ways of making straights. Quote:
Chance = Probability - Probability is a math term. "Synchronicity" is just related to what sort of value you can get out of your hand I read this with an open mind, but I really don't think you made a single point in here. You multiplied some relatively meaningless numbers together and got spiritual. If you wanna believe that there is magic numbers or prime numbers mean something go ahead(oh, look the time is 2:43... lose the 4 and you get 23... I am 23...  ). It really is just another way of trying to make sense out of random, which an emotionally disturbing subject. In fact, I will go out on a limb and say something semi-controversial in the spirit of this thread. I believe 99% of the population has trouble dealing with random to a severe degree. It is such a disturbing thought that people shape their belief system and their whole lives around dealing with randomness. |
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| I had a doooozy of a response for this right when it came out last night. Hit submit, and the error message popped up. Oh well, what might have been... | |||
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| All who say they didn't read the post really should read it. It's a total waste of time but it's worth it for comedy. | |||
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| One of my favorite strategy posts in a long time. Nice work OP! | |||
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| lmao at him wanting to be shipped a dollar for writing this piece of shit. | |||
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This should be stickied... as what not to post. |
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| how do i delete this thread, soi i do not have to look at it. | |||
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Horoscope for poster: You will be relentlessly ridiculed for your superior understanding of "luck", and how to "utilize" it. Deposit liberally without a mind towards criticism cast upon you by so called experts, and "utilize" your "luck", by pushing all in preflop with "suited connectors" against anyone who looks like a "shark", and intends to "bone" you with so called "high pockets". Abridged horoscope for poster: Fuck it, Gambool |
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute. |
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bigspenda73: But how much did you win? |
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| After reading this I decided to reread the thread on on how to shave my balls. Makes alot more sense. | |||
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This is the best strategy post for a long time. It's well written and easy to read and understand as well, unlike most similar posts by others without a clue. Quote:
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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study prime numbers huh? fuck 5 is prime?? this should improve my winrate by atleast 1.2bb/100. Pi... 3.14? the more of it u can remember the more rakeback you get. supernatural and random in nature lol. i think you should just stick to letting your shoulder lean. |
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as my good friend says.... whhaaaaaaa???? As funny as this is, we shouldn't flame people like this. They're just new to the game and come up with some random theory that makes no sense and has nothing to do with reality, and eventually they will realize how stupid it is. But until then, keep being humble and realize that 5 years after this post, even if u work at poker every day, you still won't have it figured out. |
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whooooa. deeeeeeep. i think you prove yourself no longer a believer in God, when you resort to begging for more money to refill your poker backroll. i think you had a great post going until you fell to rock bottom. vaya con Dios...dude. |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece! |
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Is he another 2+2 refugee? He has a similar style to that other guy, turn up, announce his brilliant ideas in a 10,000 word post, wait for adulation, and make a bit of a fool of himself
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Lmao. Among the panhandler's crateload of bullshit, here's a funny. Einstein's "God does not play dice" argues that there is no randomness / luck. Just natural laws + mathematics. Way to **** that up. What if Johnny played NLHE with the devil and called a bet for the solar system with a straight draw but didn't have the pot odds? WHAT THEN? BTW last night I was playing 9-handed NL @ the Belagio and cracked Chris Ferguson's aces with 380. SLANSKY WTF U IDIOT i should write a book. |
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I actually opened this thread expecting a heated debate on the value of hands such as AQ and AJ in lowstakes NLHE. But this is soooo much better Quote:
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And once again we have proven the time tested theory that content of thread = 1/ number of replies |
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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| You guys should leave the OP alone. He is clearly thinking on a higher level then the rest of us. | |||
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OMG he posted this in Sklansky's forum on 2p2: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=9970885 He replied lots of times too. It doesn't get much funnier than the original post though, imo. |
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Best gimmick ever. I can shoulder lean... ionno how to dance thooooo |
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Oh wow, this is by the OP in the 2+2 thread "Also, the only way to employ this theory is knowing and having a very good read on your opponent. It is only useful for helping to calculate your luck odds. If you have a good read that you have a numerical advantage against your opponent, that your hand is "luckier", then this could help to aid you in winning the hand." Luck Odds is my new favourite thing in the world. |
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"[This theory] is only useful for helping to calculate your luck odds. If you have a good read that you have a numerical advantage against your opponent, that your hand is "luckier"..."
Copyright, Youngdro 2007. |
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 also, good link to an old thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=2#Post4056987 OP's location is "I like pie" coindicence !?!??! |
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