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andaval
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10-29-2004, 07:52 PM
Post subject: Showdown -- who must show cards?
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What are the standard rules for who has to show their hands at showdown? Obviously anyone claiming to win, but is anyone else expected to show their cards if requested? I have an idea that if you call someone's river bet you can see their cards, but is that true and if so, is that the only case? Just wondering because this has come up a couple times in my home game.
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anything that goes to showdown you have a right to see losing hands. it's usually frowned upon if you keep doing it though.
that's why online on party some people would fold (even when the pot is huge), even if they had an option of checking so people wouldn't know what they played
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andaval
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Does the whole table have a right to see what goes to showdown or just people who were in on showdown?
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Krapp
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Originally Posted by andaval
Does the whole table have a right to see what goes to showdown or just people who were in on showdown?
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show one, show all
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andaval
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What I mean is: If someone who folded on the flop requested to see the loser's cards in a two person showdown (the winner of the hand has not requested this) should the request be honored?
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gutshot
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Originally Posted by andaval
What I mean is: If someone who folded on the flop requested to see the loser's cards in a two person showdown (the winner of the hand has not requested this) should the request be honored?
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No.
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-jay
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zenbitz
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This messed me up for AGES online. Well, weeks anyway.
People can "muck" their losers in a showdown, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE their cards - you just have to click on the hand history.
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FlyingSaucy
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I think the question here is this...
Say 3 people go into the showdown. Sometimes online, the cards for one of the losing players will be flashed on the screen at the showdown, and the others won't. Why is that? What factors decide if the cards get flashed. I realize you can look it up in the history anyway, but why some losing hands automatically show and some don't?
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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucerAttack
I think the question here is this...
Say 3 people go into the showdown. Sometimes online, the cards for one of the losing players will be flashed on the screen at the showdown, and the others won't. Why is that? What factors decide if the cards get flashed. I realize you can look it up in the history anyway, but why some losing hands automatically show and some don't?
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some people have muck losing cards checked, others don't. the people that show all losing cards every hand they're in should be added to your buddy list.
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Gatorcon
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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucerAttack
I think the question here is this...
Say 3 people go into the showdown. Sometimes online, the cards for one of the losing players will be flashed on the screen at the showdown, and the others won't. Why is that? What factors decide if the cards get flashed. I realize you can look it up in the history anyway, but why some losing hands automatically show and some don't?
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The person who makes the last bet/raise on the last round has to show first if called. example = I bet 1 on the river, you say I call, I have to show first, if I have a better hand than you, you have the option to muck, If you have a better hand, you have to prove it to me.
If it was a 3 way showdown, Me, you, and Bob, I bet on the river you & Bob just call, same thing, you are calling me, I have to show, if I win you and Bob can muck, If you have a better hand you have to prove it, then Bob can muck. If Bob has the best hand, you will see all the cards.
I may have done more to confuse myself but I think this is correct.
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Originally Posted by Gatorcon
The person who makes the last bet/raise on the last round has to show first if called. example = I bet 1 on the river, you say I call, I have to show first, if I have a better hand than you, you have the option to muck, If you have a better hand, you have to prove it to me.
If it was a 3 way showdown, Me, you, and Bob, I bet on the river you & Bob just call, same thing, you are calling me, I have to show, if I win you and Bob can muck, If you have a better hand you have to prove it, then Bob can muck. If Bob has the best hand, you will see all the cards.
I may have done more to confuse myself but I think this is correct.
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sounds reasonable. i wouldn't know cuz i've never played live before. all i know is online, the best hand will always be shown, and every losing hand has the option of mucking it.
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a500lbgorilla
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Yah, those are the house rules we play by. The agressor shows. An agressive move is a bet or a raise so the last person to make a bet or raise in a show down shows.
-'rilla
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The rule allowing a loser's hand to be seen has a specific purpose. It's to help prevent collusion. Although technically you can ask at any time, it should only be used if you suspect collusion and for no other reason. It's just poor etiquette to ask a loser to show his hand for the purpose of gaining information or simply out of curiosity. Also remember, if someone folds a hand at showdown and then is asked to show and that hand ends up being a better hand, then the person that originally folded is determined to be the winner.
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by zenbitz
This messed me up for AGES online. Well, weeks anyway.
People can "muck" their losers in a showdown, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE their cards - you just have to click on the hand history.
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That is a great tool and I love it!
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elanto
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Gatorcon is right, if a person calls the the other one in the showdown has to show his hand, if the calles lost he can muck, if he wins then he has to show in order to prove it.. most of he time the looser mucks in shame.... lol 
-anto
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Humphrind
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Online and at casinos it is true that the agressor is the first to show, then others show if they win, and much if they don't.
But at my home game, we rarely have this problem. But on the occations it comes up. We just go in order of how it was delt. BB, CO and Button all go to showdown. BB shows 1st, CO either shows or mucks, and Button shows/mucks last.
If it is a problem, there should be a rule. But I don't think it matters as long as it's fair and aplies to everyone.
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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Buxx
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
Also remember, if someone folds a hand at showdown and then is asked to show and that hand ends up being a better hand, then the person that originally folded is determined to be the winner.
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A little nitpicky here, but that's kinda true. That only applies if the person asking to see the cards is the current "Winner" If anyone else at the table asks, the dealer will tap the cards on the muck to kill the hand before flipping them over, meaning even if they do show the best hand, they still don't win.
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