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martindcx1e

10-27-2006, 09:34 PM Post subject: Show Me Your SC's

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Wondering if any of you studs can post some routine SC hands where you took down a nice pot. SC's don't seem to produce much for me, and I'd like to see some good examples of how to play them profitably.

PS. I don't want to see any BB specials either...real hands plz k thnx.

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10-27-2006, 09:36 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($260.35)
UTG ($389.30)
MP ($193)
Button ($194)
Fnord ($200)

Preflop: Fnord is SB with 7

, 4

.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Fnord calls $3, 1 fold.

Flop: ($10) 5

, A

, 9

(2 players)
Fnord checks, MP bets $2, Fnord raises to $10, MP folds.

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10-27-2006, 09:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

, 4

.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Fnord calls $3, 1 fold.

Flop: ($10) 5

, A

, 9

(2 players)
Fnord checks, MP bets $2, Fnord raises to $10, MP folds.

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martindcx1e

10-27-2006, 09:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

, 4

.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 1 fold, Fnord calls $3, 1 fold.

Flop: ($10) 5

, A

, 9

(2 players)
Fnord checks, MP bets $2, Fnord raises to $10, MP folds.

so you know he gives up easily post-flop or something and you just call with anything and attack? maybe that's what i'm not understanding. i was under the impression that ppl are scooping bigtime pots with sc's but i guess just stealing regularly from nits with them can be pretty profitable.

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10-27-2006, 10:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

so you know he gives up easily post-flop or something and you just call with anything and attack?

From this guy:

Pre-flop: I have a hand I want to play. Probably around the top 30% of hands, although he might raise the top 2% or so even bigger.

Flop: I missed, please fold or let me see a turn card. That's also a wonderful board to play back at someone on.

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10-27-2006, 10:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

That's also a wonderful board to play back at someone on.

b/c of lack of draws correct?

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10-27-2006, 10:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

That's also a wonderful board to play back at someone on.

b/c of lack of draws correct?

Pretty much just Ax hit that board (this guy's range is so wide, we can pretty much ignore pairs.) Everything else can't fold fast enough.

edit: Also it's a terrible board to 2nd barrel on, yet a great board to float weakish thinking players because they know it's a terrible spot to fire the second round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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10-27-2006, 10:45 PM

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Fnord posted the obvious aggression one.
Heres the reraised pot with implied odds one (pokertards obviously :P )

Im winning lots of pots, showing down little, hence table image is a little aggro, but for the nits, their HU will stay say im playing a very conservative game.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($610)
Button ($443.23)
SB ($389.5)
BB ($360)
UTG ($745)
UTG+1 ($350)
Hero ($893)
MP2 ($145)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8

, 7

.
2 folds, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, CO raises to $40, 2 folds, BB calls $40, Hero calls $24.

Flop: ($126) 9

, A

, 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $60, BB folds, Hero calls $60.
Hero checks, CO bets $140, Hero: calls $410 (All-In).

Final Pot: $796

Edit: lol it isnt owrking but i hit the turn and c/r all in and get called by a set of aces, who obviously took one look at his HUD and called easily simply because my stats suggest i have one pair AK or a set, not 87s.

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10-27-2006, 10:53 PM

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Just a few for the hell of it...SCs for me don't tend to win big hands all that often (not a shock)...but my VPIP is pretty low anyway, so they help bump it up and they are easy to dump post flop...I use em for blind steals, limping with other limpers, bluffing/semi-bluffing, etc. and don't continue with them very far unless I hit strong.
Obviously it's pointless to show all the times that I've raised J8s, Q9s, 9Ts etc. and stolen the blinds.

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $19.85
UTG+1: $3.55
MP1: $21.50
_TheHorror_: $25.00
MP3: $24.75
CO: $14.40
Button: $102.30
SB: $27.70
BB: $16.20

Pre-flop: (9 players) _TheHorror_ is MP2 with 9

3 folds, _TheHorror_ raises to $1, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 9

($4.4, 4 players)
_TheHorror_ bets $3, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: 4

($10.4, 2 players)
_TheHorror_ bets $10.4, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $10.4 returned to _TheHorror_.

Results:
Final pot: $10.4

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $8.30
UTG+1: $26.95
MP1: $34.70
MP2: $47.45
MP3: $35.75
CO: $18.30
xTheHorrorx: $24.60
SB: $22.20
BB: $9.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) xTheHorrorx is Button with 8

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, xTheHorrorx calls, SB calls, BB raises to $1, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, CO calls, xTheHorrorx calls, SB folds.

Flop: Q

($4.5, 4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, xTheHorrorx checks.

Turn: J

($4.5, 4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $1, xTheHorrorx raises to $6, 2 folds, CO calls.

River: 3

($16.5, 2 players)
CO checks, xTheHorrorx bets $6, CO calls.

Results:
Final pot: $28.5
xTheHorrorx shows 8S10S

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) xTheHorrorx is Button with T

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, xTheHorrorx calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 8

($2, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1.5, xTheHorrorx raises to $4, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: J

($10, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, xTheHorrorx bets $4, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: $4 returned to xTheHorrorx.

Results:
Final pot: $10

Hi cards can be SCs too...obviously they are more than just playing for straights/flushes and whatnot.

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Blinds: $0.50/$1
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
_TheHorror_: $97.50
UTG+1: $154.05
UTG+2: $200.00
MP1: $71.60
MP2: $97.50
MP3: $166.75
CO: $48.50
Button: $142.15
SB: $87.90
BB: $49.00

Pre-flop: (10 players) _TheHorror_ is UTG with K

_TheHorror_ raises to $4, 7 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: K

($12, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, _TheHorror_ bets $8, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: Q

($28, 2 players)
SB bets $20, _TheHorror_ calls.

River: 6

($68, 2 players)
SB is all-in $55.9, _TheHorror_ calls.

Results:
Final pot: $179.8
SB shows 9S10S
_TheHorror_ shows KC QC

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $22.50
UTG+1: $77.65
_TheHorror_: $23.20
MP2: $22.50
MP3: $15.10
CO: $12.80
Button: $21.05
SB: $26.45
BB: $9.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) _TheHorror_ is MP1 with J

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, _TheHorror_ calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: T

($1.25, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1, _TheHorror_ raises to $3, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: A

($13.25, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $4, _TheHorror_ raises all-in $19.95, 3 folds.
Uncalled bets: $15.95 returned to _TheHorror_.

Results:
Final pot: $21.25

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $157.00
UTG+1: $98.40
UTG+2: $106.50
MP1: $102.70
_TheHorror_: $127.20
MP3: $13.00
CO: $176.60
Button: $45.50
SB: $196.95
BB: $101.60

Pre-flop: (10 players) _TheHorror_ is MP2 with 9

4 folds, _TheHorror_ raises to $3, MP3 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: Q

($7.5, 2 players)
_TheHorror_ bets $5, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to _TheHorror_.

Results:
Final pot: $7.5

Elexshun

10-27-2006, 10:56 PM

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classic ! oh see i would have nitted around until I got KK here verses his AA/AK that way when I tried to stack him he could really pummel me ! Those freaking overrated SC's

Jager

10-28-2006, 02:34 AM

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Awful flop bet here by me, couldn't figure out why he reraised PF then checked the flop...This is also the first hand I actually stacked someone AFTER a PFR.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($217.05)
UTG ($214.80)
MP ($40.75)
CO ($121.05)
Hero ($413.05)
SB ($203.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5

, 6

.
3 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BB raises to $27, Hero calls $19.

Flop: ($55) 8

, 7

, 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $25, BB calls $25.

Turn: ($105) 8

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $75, BB raises to $165.05, Hero calls $90.05.

River: ($435.10) A

(2 players)

Final Pot: $435.10

Results in white below:
BB has Qs Qd (two pair, queens and eights).
Hero has 5s 6s (straight, nine high).
Outcome: Hero wins $435.10.

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10-28-2006, 04:41 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($141.50)
Hero ($100)
Button ($162.30)
SB ($90.60)
BB ($74.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J

, T

.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) 7

, 6

, 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $96, SB calls $68.60 (All-In).

Turn: ($191.60) A

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($191.60) T

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $191.60

Results below:
SB has 5s 8c (straight, ten high).
Hero has Jh Th (flush, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins $191.60. [/color]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($53.50)
SB ($98.35)
BB ($25.92)
UTG ($49.50)
Hero ($50)
CO ($34.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

, T

. SB posts a blind of $0.25. UTG posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $2, SB (poster) calls $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.50) J

, 2

, Q

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $3, SB folds, Hero raises to $10, Button calls $48.50 (All-In), Hero calls $38 (All-In).

Turn: ($106) 9

(3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($106) 2

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $106

Results below:
BB has (two pair, kings and twos).
Hero has 9h Th (flush, queen high).
Button has Kh Kc (two pair, kings and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins $102.50. Button wins $3.50. [/color]

this one isn't played all that well but w/e..
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($88.10)
MP1 ($126.60)
MP2 ($86.90)
CO ($48.50)
Hero ($59.85)
SB ($98.25)
BB ($62.15)
UTG ($90.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7

, T

.
3 folds, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, SB completes, BB raises to $2, MP2 calls $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $1.

Flop: ($8) 5

, 7

(4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $11, SB folds, BB calls $8.

Turn: ($30) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB raises to $25, Hero calls $15.

River: ($80) T

(2 players)
BB bets $24.15 (All-In), Hero calls $21.85 (All-In).

Final Pot: $126

Results below:
BB has Js Jh (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Hero has 7d Td (full house, sevens full of tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $123.70. BB wins $2.30. [/color]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($131.54)
Hero ($118.39)
SB ($99)
BB ($72.63)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($64.40)
MP1 ($88)
MP2 ($98.50)
MP3 ($147.73)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7

, 6

. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
4 folds, MP3 raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 2 folds.

Flop: ($7.50) 4

, 8

, A

(2 players)
MP3 bets $3, Hero raises to $9.99, MP3 calls $6.99.

Turn: ($27.48) 6

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $19.8, MP3 calls $19.80.

River: ($67.08) 5

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $40.01, MP3 calls $40.01.

Final Pot: $147.10

Results below:
MP3 has Ts Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has 7d 6d (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $147.10. [/color]

martindcx1e

10-28-2006, 06:21 AM

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seems to me that sc's show more profit when you can get HU with a nit rather than limping behind like 4 others with something like 56s and praying not to get flush over flush'ed. i'm speaking mainly about full ring btw.

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10-28-2006, 07:01 AM

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I am trying to play them like small PP, if you hit you can get paid if you miss its an easy fold.

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Fnord

10-28-2006, 07:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jager

I am trying to play them like small PP, if you hit you can get paid if you miss its an easy fold.

Leak.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($170.50)
MP ($208.30)
Button ($113)
SB ($379.05)
Fnord ($203.40)

Preflop: Fnord is BB with 8

, 6

.
2 folds, Button raises to $6, 1 fold, Fnord calls $4.

Flop: ($13) Q

, 7

, T

(2 players)
Fnord checks, Button bets $8, Fnord raises to $24, Button calls $16.

Turn: ($61) A

(2 players)
Fnord bets $40, Button folds.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($241.05)
MP ($155.55)
Button ($184.55)
Fnord ($202.70)
BB ($47.45)

Preflop: Fnord is SB with 4

, 7

.
UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, Fnord calls $5, 1 fold.

Flop: ($14) T

, 2

, 4

(2 players)
Fnord checks, UTG bets $10.5, Fnord raises to $30, UTG calls $19.50.

Turn: ($74) 2

(2 players)
Fnord bets $50, UTG folds.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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10-28-2006, 12:44 PM

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Fnord on these hands you are playing your opponent, I am just thinking about the cards. You also hit on those hands too, and pushed villain when a scare card hit.

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10-28-2006, 03:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jager

I am just thinking about the cards.

Leak.

Limit tables are one tab over.

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martindcx1e

10-28-2006, 03:46 PM

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fnord, do you have clear reads on these villains or are there just certain situations/boards where you will playback at people?

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10-28-2006, 03:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

fnord, do you have clear reads on these villains or are there just certain situations/boards where you will playback at people?

Reads, although timing certainly feeds into my willingness to fire a second barrel. When I sense legit weakness (not Hollywood) I attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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10-28-2006, 04:20 PM

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My point here was that pertaining to the cards that is what I look for NOT how to exploit them. I am still working on that.

Thanks for posting these Fnord.

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10-29-2006, 01:12 AM

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Well obviously what works for Brunson is only 2 major ideals of play.

He's established he's aggressive, and that if you play at him, he'll fire his chips into the pot if he's got a reasonable hand and a re-draw.

If you're on the button with SC, and your opponent raises, and you and maybe one other guy calls.. you're looking for an OESD, or an OESFD. says he won't commit more than 10% of his stack to this manuever, because he isn't getting odds should his draw hit. If he catches an OESFD, or an Open ender with a backdoor flush.. he raises the opener, or bets out if he gets checked in to. Should his opponent re-raise... he fires out an all in

Lets say you think you can isolate one opponent with a limp call from an early position raise. Then with an OESD, OESFD, and a backdoor flush with draw. (or even a gutshot with a straight draw too)... Bet into the guy. he raises you back, put him to the test. shove, and let the cards fall.

You make up your own hands/situations that may fit into these categories, be a pro-active thinker about how YOU want to dictate these situations to your opponents, don';t be reactive about how other guys dictate the play to their opponents.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

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10-29-2006, 02:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

this is only when you have lots of fold equity

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11-08-2006, 06:06 AM

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bump. i still need to work on these friggin things. question to those limping them in lp after multiple limpers: how often do you find yourself flush over flush'd w/ sc's like 67 & the like? seems to me that in multiway pots after the 3rd flush card hits and someone (maybe multiple opps) is giving you lots of action that you are toast a lot of times. am i wrong to think this? i know the chances are low but given the nature of the pot and timing of the action i'm terrified in these spots. i'm talking full ring here. i'm pretty scared of this happening, but i also hate calling raises with them since i usually won't get very good odds to draw anyways. any other thoughts?

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