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pat3392
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07-22-2010, 07:39 AM
Post subject: Should this be a juicy home game?/ Is this player a fish?
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 125
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The other night I met a seemingly poker fanatic who invited me to a home cash game that she hosts regularly. This has no rake. However, I have very little cash game experience(I have played 1100 cash game hands and don't understand basic cash game theory, but have read Harrington on Hold'em vol. 1&2 and watched a fair few online videos) and was wondering if you guys could tell me if you'd think this player is a fish or not, going upon what she said:
She told me that it was a cash game, to which I replied, "I'm not experienced with them but I think one must play tight(something like that anyway)" and she replied, "nah if you play tight you will loose. You gotta play loose. It's common to see hands like 47 win. You miles as well throw away your high cards.(close enough to what she said)"
I played a short stack heads up game with her, it was play money. One hand she fired out a bluff on a non dangerous board on the flop; she went 3x the pot to which I criticized as a bad play. I said to her that just betting the pot would have achieved the same thing, but she said that she wanted to charge you to chase my random pairs, she was so convinced that the play was correct.
Another hand(the first hand) she criticized my play a fair bit and she was convinced, as was her daughters, that it was a bad play, no doubt about it. Here it is:
Villian (SB) 1475: limps
Hero (BB) (J6o)1450: checks
Pot=100
Flop: 987 rainbow
Hero bets 75
Villian raises to 250
Hero goes all in
I did the math and she needed to fold 40% of the time for that play to be neutral EV( I used the 3 J high cards in the deck as 1.5 outs, can someone PLEASE tell me if this is correct to do) This play also has the added advantage of making her play a little bit more straight forward against me and bluff less, consequently making the game easier. So was this such a bad move?
She also said that they are usually between 6-12 handed. Her daughter told me that she is the best of all the players that play there.
EDIT: I should add she called my all in raise(the hand with the J6o) with 94
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pat3392
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Straight
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There is no buy-in limit either; how would this effect the game(I can play with 1BB or 1000000BB)
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
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This is a game full of people who quite evidently have extremly little to 0 poker comprehension. Most live cash players think they understand a lot about npoker when they are infact absolutely horrible players that couldn't beat 10NL online.
She is terrible, the rest of them are likely equally bad worse or slightly better.
Your play was probably not great vs a player that doesn't like to fold, although given she's likely firing this flop with a ton of hands, it's probably not terrible either. If she doesn't raise this flop light then don't do this because she wont fold pairs etc, but if she is then even whales have a good amount of combos they have to muck here, it's villain dependant.
Keep playing with these morans and improve your game by getting help from people who do understand things about poker (us here at FTR)
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StarGrinder
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Full House
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I love live players. I thank them for padding my live roll over and over again. 
They think they're so good when in fact they would get crushed at 5NL. I can't tell you how many players I've ran into at live games that thought they were really good. But when you try to discuss the most basic types of game theory, such as fold equity, implied odds, pot odds, and basic ev type stuff, you're met with an indigent surprise like you just shat in their cornflakes.
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pdk1010
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3-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stargrinder
but when you try to discuss the most basic types of game theory, such as fold equity, implied odds, pot odds, and basic ev type stuff, you're met with an indigent surprise like you just shat in their cornflakes.
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lmao
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: sites im allowed to play on
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idk in all the live home games i've played in we have like 20 antes/small bets and play dealers choice so it's pretty much a crapshoot.
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Penneywize
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
idk in all the live home games i've played in we have like 20 antes/small bets and play dealers choice so it's pretty much a crapshoot.
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yes but you play home games with pre teens and use doritos as poker chips
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speedcake
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Flush
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Location: Tampa
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Penneywize
yes but you play home games with pre teens and use doritos as poker chips |
oh no you didn't!
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your banner burned here
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6spark6
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High Card
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: A to tha TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Penneywize
yes but you play home games with pre teens and use doritos as poker chips |
ROFL.
To answer the original post, yes, and definitely.
I play a live "home game" twice a week, usually 10-18 deep and we play either $10 freeze-out or $20+R+A up til the first break.
These games are butter. Tax, tax, tax, and when they start betting, fold. EZ mode.
The BEST player there (whom I would categorize as mediocre at best...he reads people well, but that's about it) cannot calculate pot odds, and bragged to me that he's never read a poker book.
Perfect.
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surviva316
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4-of-a-Kind
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all hail penneywize, savior of this thread
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StarGrinder
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Full House
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LOL @ Big Butter Hey Zeus. You do know that burned down right? Struck by lightning back in June. Thought maybe they'd resurrect in 3 days...
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surviva316
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Confusing people with my liberal biblicisms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StarGrinder
You do know that burned down right? Struck by lightning back in June. Thought maybe they'd resurrect in 3 days...
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it was prolly god sending us a sign that he doesn't exist
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I just wanted to share singing vaginas. |
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StarGrinder
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Full House
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I drove past it on 75 while it was still smoking, FD was still hosing it down.
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daven
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Straight Flush
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Location: soaking up ethanol, moving on up
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1 - learn pokah on ftr
2 - go to home game
3 - shit on their cornflakes
4 - ???
5 - profit
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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6 stop teaching your opponents
7 when they say you played bad, nod sympathetically when you win or say "well I never like to fold J6" when you lose.
It's good to have a poker ego but you have to check it well ahead of explaining to everyone how good you play. if you can't handle that, pretend you no speak engrish
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daven
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
6 stop teaching your opponents
7 when they say you played bad, nod sympathetically when you win or say "well I never like to fold J6" when you lose.
It's good to have a poker ego but you have to check it well ahead of explaining to everyone how good you play. if you can't handle that, pretend you no speak engrish
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qft - most profitable live game i have played to date included a swedish online pro who couldn't avoid letting the players at the table know he was all WSOP-attending, live off poker, shark... Given my inability to perform basic chip-tricks and my early mistake of string betting (first time in a casino!) everyone knew i was a fish. Suited me fine. The Swede lost money during my sessions at that table. I made nearly enough to pay for the swedish and norwegian legs of that holiday.
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FlyingSaucy
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4-of-a-Kind
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Pat- to your original issue. I think you mentioned playing tight. Just to make sure you are aware- playing tight is probably passing in a ton of value at a table like that. You want to be in as many pots as possible with these kinds of players and just realize that you just have to be careful playing aggressively with anything less than top pair.
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