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takesix

07-25-2006, 02:49 AM Post subject: Shortstack Ninja

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So I cashed in 3 quarter rolls (I shit you not) and snuck $30 onto Party. I decided to split it into $10 rolls and play shortie/aggro... and its WORKING!

Now obviously I hit a pretty great run of hole cards and of them hitting, but in the past hour, not SO many more than I can just say I'm getting ultra lucky.

Focus: The mantra is, buy in full (100 BBs) so you can get paid in full for your monsters. But, I'm not getting monsters any more or less frequently than I ever do (over the 1.5 hour course of action), and yet unlike usual, I'm getting paid for them, and is it only because I'm the shortstack? How viable a playstyle is this? Can this hold up over the long run?

also: Would anyone have played the A10 top 2 hand softer? I didn't want any cheap hearts but felt handcuffed because of the stupid limp.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 ($7.19)
CO ($11.85)
Button ($24.80)
SB ($40.65)
BB ($8.90)
UTG ($6.55)
UTG+1 ($9.70)
MP1 ($15.80)
Hero ($9.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7

, 8

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 9

, 8

, 7

(4 players)
SB bets $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $3, CO folds, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($7) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero calls $6.45 (All-In).

River: ($20.45) 4

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $20.45

Results in white below:
Hero has 7c 8c (two pair, eights and sevens).
SB has 8s Kh (two pair, eights and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins $19.90. SB wins $0.55.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($9.10)
BB ($23.90)
UTG ($32.13)
UTG+1 ($24.90)
MP1 ($9.15)
MP2 ($4.85)
CO ($19)
Button ($26.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, A

. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG raises to $1, 5 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $2.4, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.50.

Flop: ($5.25) T

, 2

, J

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2, Hero calls $6.60 (All-In), UTG calls $4.60.

Turn: ($18.45) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($18.45) 2

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $18.45

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah As (two pair, aces and twos).
UTG has Jh Qd (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $18.45.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($17.55)
SB ($23.65)
BB ($23.03)
UTG ($24.90)
UTG+1 ($9.15)
MP1 ($4.85)
MP2 ($19)
CO ($26.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, T

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 6

, T

, A

(5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1, MP2 folds, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: $6.25

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $6.25.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($17.67)
Hero ($20.35)
CO ($23.40)
Button ($21.53)
SB ($25.15)
BB ($9.15)
UTG ($4.85)
UTG+1 ($18.75)
MP1 ($25.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

, K

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $2, Hero raises to $5, 4 folds, MP2 calls $3.

Flop: ($10.35) 6

, K

, Q

(2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $7, MP2 calls $12.67 (All-In), Hero calls $5.67.

Turn: ($35.69) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($35.69) 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $35.69

Results in white below:
MP2 has Qh Qc (full house, queens full of sixes).
Hero has Kd Ks (full house, kings full of sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $35.69.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 ($5.75)
CO ($10)
Button ($25.55)
SB ($8.45)
Hero ($10.65)
UTG ($24.50)
UTG+1 ($22.92)
MP1 ($18.37)
MP2 ($22.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6

, 6

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Button raises to $1, SB (poster) calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($5) K

, 6

, 8

(5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.5, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Button calls $3.50, SB folds.

Turn: ($12) T

(2 players)
Hero calls $6.15 (All-In), Button calls $6.15.

River: ($24.30) 3

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $24.30

Results in white below:
Hero has 6d 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
Button has As Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $24.30.

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midas06

07-25-2006, 03:18 AM

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basically there's higher variance short stacking, and there's very little point at lower stakes when you're pretty much guaranteed to have a big big edge on the other players with a full stack.

takesix

07-25-2006, 03:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by midas06

basically there's higher variance short stacking, and there's very little point at lower stakes when you're pretty much guaranteed to have a big big edge on the other players with a full stack.

So it's basically you're opinion that were I to play with a full stack (assuming it was actually in my account for the sake of argument) I'd have hit ~120 profit instead of ~60?

At least so far (almost 3 hours in) I feel like when I hit big people are going to pay me off because "oh, it's just another $4. just another $6", etc. As opposed to usual when I'm like "wonder if he'll fold the flop or the turn to my set".

Note that I've never done this before so I'm putting it out there for opinions and commentary.

jackvance

07-25-2006, 10:57 AM

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jackvance is an unknown quantity at this point

keep it up a bit longer and you'll see..

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Miffed22001

07-25-2006, 06:43 PM

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you dont need to short stack small stakes games. Ever.

takesix

07-25-2006, 06:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

you dont need to short stack small stakes games. Ever.

I never said I *needed* to (other than the $30 bankroll which is a whole 'nother story) but that wasn't the point of the post -- any time I hit a monster, I got paid, unlike the 1 in 3ish times I get with a full stack.

I know what the conventional wisdom is, I was trying to raise this as a discussion point as maybe a counterpoint for people playing at "rock" times against rocky players.

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