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I've played alot of hands, 17 royal flushes so far. But still don't think I have this No-Limit thing mastered.
I do play 16 tables at a time. So I'm ultra tight.
I play at the $50NL level if that matters
My Strategy goal is to live and die by Sets and Flushes.
Tell me where I'm going wrong. PLEASE
Starting Hands
AA -> 22 and AKs -> A10s
Pre Flop
Limp in with All.
If AA is raised reraise back.
Fold: Aks -> A10s with any raise.
Post Flop: Aggressive with set or flush
Over pair play slow fold quickly
Now my thought with No Limit is everytime you raise you become a huge target.
Example AA and KK you raise 4x - 7xbb and the flop comes anything but a set for you. What do you do when you raise and your raised back on the flop? FOLD?
Don't mind any flames.
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Good luck on your first post, just to warn you this post will be flamed because of your vagueness and (trying not to offend) You're a complete nit (a really tight person, gambler who doesn't like to gamble).
I'll try to shorty help you. Poker isn't as much your hand as it is what reads you have. You fail to put in this post specificity necessary to have a good answer.
I'm sorry my post is equally vague, I just don't know how to answer this, I'll answer the simple stuff.
1. You're too tight
2. You're too passive preflop
3. According to your post you fail to recognize important parts of poker such as position and reads.
4. "you..... raise you become a huge target".......... not to attack you, I really don't want you to feel attacked but this statement is bad, to be harsh it's horrible. When you raise and bet you take control of a hand, sometimes you don't want control, like when you have a strong hand such as a set or a flush.
5. The reason you're losing money is because you fold when >50% you are winning. Work on reads so you can understand in what situations you are winning.
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17 Royal flushes? how many hand have you played?
Limp in with all? BAD BAD play. You need to be raising with AA, KK, at least. Those are much better with fewer people in the pot, There best Heads up.
Position, Position,Position..
GL
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07-11-2006, 02:29 AM
Post subject: Re: Sets and Flush Strategies
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Pre Flop
Limp in with All.
Fold: Aks -> A10s with any raise.
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How are you going to hit flushes when you fold all your suited cards to raises? lol
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Tell me where I'm going wrong. PLEASE
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It would be easier to tell you where you're not going wrong.
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Post Flop: Aggressive with set or flush
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17 royal flushes LMAO
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So where do you play and what's your name, maybe we can play sometime 
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hit more sets
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move down to a lower limit until you learn the basic fundamentals of poker. Read as much as you can and make an effort to develop an winning style of play.
move down first tho
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Me? I always tell the truth.
Even when I lie.
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Hm, seems like you made this strategy up yourself? Well, it's not a good one. Read around this forum for a few days, then start again.
Btw 17 royal flushes? How many hands did you play? Or.. how many years do you play?
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maybe he missinterprets flushes as royal ones
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maybe he missinterprets flushes as royal ones
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They're RoyalStraights, obv.
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Appears my starting hands are pretty good.
No complaints there.
AA, KK i'll keep raising 5x to 10x and due my best to read.
QQ -> 22 limp in.
Good point on folding the flush I'll call up to 4x with Axs.
AKs and AQs come in with a 5x raise and a follow thru bet on the turn if no raises.
This should still allow me to play tight without giving that totally away.
You guys and gals rock.
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17 Royal flushes? how many hand have you played?
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17 royal flushes LMAO
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You guys got this all wrong. these are ROYAL STRAIT FLUSHES. obv. better than regular royal flushes, and apparently more frequent
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07-11-2006, 03:31 PM
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I think you're misinterpreting a lack of response with approval.
You are WAAAAYYYY too tight, and probably really easy to read given your limited raising, reraising range. As a consequence, your premium hands are likely not getting paid off nearly as often as they should be, and it doesn't look like you are even playing good implied odds hands like SCs, which is leaving a lot of big pots on the table. Your "strategy" might give you a positive winrate playing 16 tables, but I can't imagine that your BB/100 hands rate is very high.
You are a multi-tabling uber-nit. Play less tables and play more poker.
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07-11-2006, 05:07 PM
Post subject: Re: Sets and Flush Strategies
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Originally Posted by deadgoat
Starting Hands
AA -> 22 and AKs -> A10s That's only 17 hands. You can probably add another 7 and still be a nit.
Pre Flop
Limp in with All. Given your starting hands, you could raise at least half of them, and most of them in position.
If AA is raised reraise back. Reraise at least QQ+, AK
Fold: Aks -> A10s with any raise. Sometimes reraise, sometimes call and sometimes fold, depending.
Post Flop: Aggressive with set or flush Do you ever play a draw?
Over pair play slow fold quickly Play overpairs fast or die by suckout
Now my thought with No Limit is everytime you raise you become a huge target. Raising makes you a harder target to hit.
Example AA and KK you raise 4x - 7xbb and the flop comes anything but a set for you. What do you do when you raise and your raised back on the flop? Situation dependent
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Thanks,
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It is easy to see why you are so tight, you play 16 tables at a time (assuming that is real).
So my first suggestion would be to cut that in half so you can play more hands. Don’t limp everything. Figure out what to limp (and where) and then play those hands + your raisers.
Don’t limit your raising hands to AA,KK. Many many more hands should go in there and be profitable.
That is just a start.
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deadgoat,
where do you play 16 tables at a time?
I'm guessing you play more then 1 site at a time, ie 8 on stars, 8 on party, or something similar. Stars and Party both have a limit of 12 ring game tables at a time, and I'm not very familiar with many other sites.
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exactly 8 one and 8 on another
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lol.
*shakes head/ half-rolls eyes*
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Dood, what is your screen name? I am sure I have played against you...looks like PR and Hollywood from the picture. I've been playing $50nl there for a few months (17k hands). You can send it to me privately if you want...I'll look up hand histories in my db and give you feedback. I think I know who you are...there is a 10/1 player with "goat" in the screen name that I see there regularly. Is that you? If so, you have never won any $ off me after 1000 hands. 
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AA, KK i'll keep raising 5x to 10x and due my best to read. <<< NO! You are advertising your hand here and pricing everybody out of the pot. Open for standard 3-4x if you are first in the pot. Only raise more than this if others have limped in before you and you want to narrow the field.
QQ -> 22 limp in. << NO! Limping with premium hands is so weak. I doubt there's anyone on here who doesn't open with QQ-TT for a raise (and possibly lower, depending on ring size, table image, position, table dynamics, and to mix up their play)
Good point on folding the flush I'll call up to 4x with Axs. << NO! Where are your reads? If a rock opens the betting for 4xBB, you're calling with A2-AJ?
AKs and AQs come in with a 5x raise and a follow thru bet on the turn if no raises. << What happened to the flop? Why are you betting different amounts for different hands? Do you WANT your opponenets to know what you're holding?
This should still allow me to play tight without giving that totally away. << I'm trying to figure out what you're NOT giving away using this strategy, including any chance of showing a profit.
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I am suprised that a lot of you guys got all over him. Hey may not have the reading skills that some of you posse. but if he is a winning player than he is doing better than 90% of the poeple out there. That in and out of itself should be worth something. Will his style work as he moves up, doubtful?
poker advice
you really need to rasie more and c-bet at least 20% of the time u miss, if u have one opponet.
and what is ur pt/100?
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i would limp in with KK and perhaps call small raises. Don't want to play in a big pot when that ace hits.
edit: shit, he already does that. 
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i would limp in with KK and perhaps call small raises. Don't want to play in a big pot when that ace hits.
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that's true, but i think it's alright to spice things up by check/calling the flop with overpairs.
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i thought we were only playing pocket pairs for set value?
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i thought we were only playing pocket pairs for set value?
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Wow, a year can make such a difference.
The sets and flush strategies only was profitable, because I was playing less worse then the idiots around me.
I was an ultra nit full ringer. Then the (US poker crap happen) but this may have been the best thing ever for my playing.
I switched to 6max for over 3 months and was forced to learn all of pokers most important skills: position, aggression, and postflop play.
Then I switched back to full ring using all that I learned at 6 max and doubled my bankroll in one month.
I have to give credit where credit is due and when I switched to 6max, I watched CR Low Limit Guest Pro Brystmar series on Cardrunners which had a huge impact on my 6max and later full ring play.
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I dont like your username. Im uneasy about it.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Wow, a year can make such a difference.
The sets and flush strategies only was profitable, because I was playing less worse then the idiots around me.
I was an ultra nit full ringer. Then the (US poker crap happen) but this may have been the best thing ever for my playing.
I switched to 6max for over 3 months and was forced to learn all of pokers most important skills: position, aggression, and postflop play.
Then I switched back to full ring using all that I learned at 6 max and doubled my bankroll in one month.
I have to give credit where credit is due and when I switched to 6max, I watched CR Low Limit Guest Pro Brystmar series on Cardrunners which had a huge impact on my 6max and later full ring play. |
Goat, where are you playing now? I also went from FR 13/5 nit to 6 max LAGGY boy (lol). I play 6 max $50nl at AP now and run 22/10. Very true, 6 max forces you to learn position, hand reading, aggression and post flop skills. It has been nothing but good for my game but I don't plan on going back to FR. I find FR "boring" now...the action is slow and the hands take too long to play!
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I dont like your username. Im uneasy about it.
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One could make decent coin playing this strategy, pending the buy-in. The problem is that you won't be able t mve up with any success because players will see right through your strat. I strongly suggest playing lower limts and work on reading your opponent. This means decreasing the # of tables you are playing.
You cannot become a good player overnight, it takes lots of time, practice and dedication. Start at the bottom and dominate each level before you move up.
I have a question for you:
You mentioned that you will limp QQ. Does this include situations where it's folded to you in the CO? What if someone has A or K rag?
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Aok with his 19 hands poker looks like lagtard compared to this strategy.
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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Wow, a year can make such a difference.
The sets and flush strategies only was profitable, because I was playing less worse then the idiots around me.
I was an ultra nit full ringer. Then the (US poker crap happen) but this may have been the best thing ever for my playing.
I switched to 6max for over 3 months and was forced to learn all of pokers most important skills: position, aggression, and postflop play.
Then I switched back to full ring using all that I learned at 6 max and doubled my bankroll in one month.
I have to give credit where credit is due and when I switched to 6max, I watched CR Low Limit Guest Pro Brystmar series on Cardrunners which had a huge impact on my 6max and later full ring play. |
lol haven't noticed this post.
Good, that you learned good TAG poker (you ARE capable of 3barrel air aren't ya? ) and stopped waiting for the nuts.
The funny thing is, the low stakes games tightened up considerably and I see lot of weaktight fishes playing "sets and frushez" pseudo-strategy hoping for profit against bigger idiots than they are. The funnier thing is, sometimes they find such a moron and get paid. But it is rare.
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Buy "Super System" and read NL section by Doyle Brunson. Read about aggression and implied odds. Then, read Sklansky/Miller "Theory and Practice" and read about the same. Then read them again. And again.
Then play 2-4 tables rather than 16 until you make use of the concepts.
And don't ever cite your number of royal flushes again. It's a pointless stat that says nothing about your skill or results.
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07-15-2007, 05:58 AM
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Tell me where I'm going wrong. PLEASE
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Certainly!
This is where:
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My Strategy goal is to live and die by Sets and Flushes.
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Pre Flop
Limp in with All.
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Fold: Aks
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Over pair play slow fold quickly
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Wow, a year can make such a difference.
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Guys didn't you read this. The strategy was over a year old.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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My strategy is to live and die by quads/straight flushes. So far, out of 60,000 hands, I have 3 quads (although one was at 7Stud) and 2 straight flushes (including one royal).
Yeah me!
BTW, if I don't get one in about my first 30 minutes, I go play the slots or Pai Gow.
My question is whether my $100,000 bankroll is sufficient for this strategy?
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My question is whether my $100,000 bankroll is sufficient for this strategy?
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Your strat sounds like really high variance so I'd stick to small stakes with such a bankroll.
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I only read the original post...and this is by far the worst strategy ive ever heard of.
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wtf is up with this post?? Is it a joke?? Is it a year old?? i mean wtf?!?!
someone lock this shit plzzz
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$0.01 + $3.99 shipping. Lol. Highlight - Bachelor Bob was dumped by his wife on a post-it note.
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17 royal flushes.
Didnt get one.
Ps why u play so scared and look only to urself
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First fault : you play 16 tables even youre a fish, play 2 and learn the game first. "God I love fish that plays 16 tables, just love them they are so much out of control and donates money because they cant control the tables."
Second fault : youre too tight because you cant control your tables and you dont play speculative hands, its the speculative hands that makes the money, my biggest winner over the last 2 years of tracking hands is 79s. Even a fish can spot a too tight guy and is smart enough to stay away when you raise.
If you want to want to win big money trying to hit flushes isnt a good strategy, even a fish often shut down when a 3rd heart hit the board and the fishs even think I will pay them off with a pot bet on the river when they hit it.
My biggest experience is that trying to hit trips in games less than 100NL works great because if you can get a read on certain people, there are people that will risk their whole stack on the flop to an all-in even they only got toppair A3 kicker. But to get to that point you need a note that says "cant fold toppair" and you wont get any of them if you play 16 tables. Its better to make 18BB on 2 tables than making 0BB at 16 tables.
I was one of the types that played 8 tables once and I came to a point where I didnt enjoy the game anymore, I then started playing only 2 tables and in some months I moved up from 25NL to 400NL making $35 an hour instead of less than $5 so I never regret I stopped playing 8 tables and actually gave myself a chance to play poker and learn the game in a loose style putting myself in difficult situations that I could learn from instead of only playing top 10 hands that never got paid off because people saw I was too tight.
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Well, I have to say i've had some of my best results ever. I switched over to 6 max for a while to improve my aggression and post flop play. Then moved back to full ring and had 3 months averages 10K a month.
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