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Old 05-08-2009, 05:25 PM     Post subject: Set on wet board, check behind on turn? #1 (permalink)  
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Only 6 hands on the villain, he saw the flop on 4 of them.

Hows my turn and river? by checking turn I'm letting the backdoor flush or straight get a free card, but considering he donk-flatted maybe he's already there, and preventing the pot from bloating would be better. I think a bet on the turn makes hands I beat like top pair consider folding on this scary board, while checking behind may induce a bet from these hands or missed draws when river bricks. Then again, a top pair hand with a club pays to see another card here so I'm losing value if he has that.


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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9, 9
2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 5 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) J, 9, 7 (2 players)
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Turn: ($2.02) Q (2 players)
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:50 PM     Post subject: Re: Set on wet board, check behind on turn? #2 (permalink)  
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Only 6 hands on the villain, he saw the flop on 4 of them.

Hows my turn and river? by checking turn I'm letting the backdoor flush or straight get a free card, but considering he donk-flatted maybe he's already there, and preventing the pot from bloating would be better. I think a bet on the turn makes hands I beat like top pair consider folding on this scary board, while checking behind may induce a bet from these hands or missed draws when river bricks. Then again, a top pair hand with a club pays to see another card here so I'm losing value if he has that.


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BB ($6.10)
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UTG+1 ($2.77)
Hero (MP1) ($5)
MP2 ($4.80)
MP3 ($6.67)
CO ($9.32)
Button ($3.22)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9, 9
2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 5 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) J, 9, 7 (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.02) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.02) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Total pot: $4.42 | Rake: $0.20
With such a wet board, I think you may need to bet the turn to protect your hand.
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:03 PM     Post subject: Re: Set on wet board, check behind on turn? #3 (permalink)  
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With such a wet board, I think you may need to bet the turn to protect your hand.
A PSB on turn commits me on the river.
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i like the check behind. and im 100% jamming if we boat up on the river

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Old 05-08-2009, 06:29 PM     Post subject: Re: Set on wet board, check behind on turn? #5 (permalink)  
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With such a wet board, I think you may need to bet the turn to protect your hand.
A PSB on turn commits me on the river.
True. It's a tough call without a strong read-- the problem is there's at least 3 plausible scenarios-- (1) Villain made his hand on the turn and has you beat unless the board pairs, (2) Villain is drawing to beat you on the river, or (3) Villain has a bettable second-best hand and cannot catch up to you.

I tend to lean towards protecting your hand because even if the worst-case scenario (1) is true, you probably have 10 outs even then.
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Old 05-08-2009, 10:44 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 05-08-2009, 10:58 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 flop should be like $1.25-$1.50
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Old 05-09-2009, 07:52 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 Yeah you need to raise the flop. Don't even pretend you raised the flop. I hope you understand why. Basically, in lay-man's terms, wet = bet large
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