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mieczkowusc
Old 12-03-2008, 06:25 PM     Post subject: Set versus flush draw with possible trips + two other hands #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($1.16)
UTG ($3.91)
UTG+1 ($1.80)
MP1 ($3.02)
MP2 ($3.15)
CO ($6.26)
Hero (Button) ($1.97)
SB ($1.44)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 5
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.10) A, 5, 3 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.34) A (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, MP1 calls $0.20

River: ($0.94) 7 (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.53 (All-In), MP1 calls $1.23

Total pot: $4 | Rake: $0.20

Anything you are doing differently?

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MP2 ($2.59)
CO ($1.30)
Button ($3.41)
Hero (SB) ($1.93)
BB ($5)
UTG ($2.42)
MP1 ($1.12)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.28) 2, 9, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.28) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

River: ($0.32) A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.15, CO raises to $1.16 (All-In), Hero ?

There is no possibility for a call here right? He is almost always showing up with a seven, yes?

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MP2 ($1.16)
CO ($2)
Button ($1.80)
SB ($3)
BB ($3.12)
UTG ($6.29)
Hero (UTG+1) ($2.52)
MP1 ($1.54)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.27) 6, 7, A (3 players)
Hero bets $0.27, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.54, Hero raises to $2.36, CO calls $1.38 (All-In)

Turn: ($4.11) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.11) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.11 | Rake: $0.20

What are you doing on this hand ? (this was probably played poorly, I know, just let me have it)
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Old 12-03-2008, 06:42 PM #2 (permalink)  
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The first hand looks fine to me, for the second hand I probably call the raise and re-evaluate on the turn. He's definitely not stacking off with anything worse than what we have.
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Old 12-03-2008, 06:46 PM #3 (permalink)  
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The first hand looks fine to me, for the second hand I probably call the raise and re-evaluate on the turn. He's definitely not stacking off with anything worse than what we have.
Referring to the hand with top pair on the flop right?
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Old 12-03-2008, 06:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Possible hands for the min-raise:

89, 45 = 16 combos
67 = 9 combos
A2-5, A8-10 of spades = 7 combos
66, 77 = 6 combos
A6o, A7o= 12 combos

I am behind 6s, 7s, 67, A6o, A7o, and AK which is 27.
I am beating 23 combos.

Calling the min-raise would have been smarter.
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Old 12-03-2008, 07:04 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: fine, bet flop & turn bigger though.

Hand 2: I don't agree that he always shows up with a 7 here. More aggressive donks do this with weaker aces frequently. The weak-ass turn bet could be raised over as minbet-fold is pretty common from donks, but a call is fine too as your hand does have decent showdown value vs a donk's range. If he's very passive, or weak/tight then it's a fold.

Hand 3: Fine as long as villain's flop raising range contains a bunch of weaker aces, draws etc... Bad if he's very passive because you're probably behind a passive player's flop raising range who would opt to call with draws & weak aces.

Last two hands are fairly villain dependent so reads are nice
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Old 12-03-2008, 07:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Last two hands are fairly villain dependent so reads are nice
Yeah, I really need PokerTracker but playing at 2NL makes it tough to get the cash together. Especially when you run bad.

There wasn't much of a read on either villain.
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Old 12-03-2008, 07:38 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 PT3 has a 60 day trial doesn't it? They getcha hooked!
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Old 12-03-2008, 07:59 PM #8 (permalink)  
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PT3 has a 60 day trial doesn't it? They getcha hooked!
I don't have an intel Mac so I am kinda stuck. Hopefully santa will be nice to me this year
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Old 12-04-2008, 01:42 AM #9 (permalink)  
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hand 2 he doesn't have a seven every time
sometimes he also has a set for a boat

it's a clear fold, even though donks might play Ax this way, why bother? it's clearly not going to be more often than a huge hand

the range that "makes sense" for him crushes you
he's going to have air like 5% of the time here
he's going to have Ax maybe even less because donks LOVE calling

last hand is not good
he minraised you aka hi I have a set
even if he has a flush draw or a straight draw, a safer option is to call and re-evaluate the turn

in fact I'll just go ahead and give him his "free" card on the turn because he already paid to draw anyway
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:55 AM #10 (permalink)  
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The last hand was probably due to being a little on tilt from the first hand.

98% to win really only means that you are 2% to lose.
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then that's an issue you should sort out with yourself
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Old 12-04-2008, 05:23 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 is excellent, regardless of whether or not you won.

Hand 2 is an easy fold

Hand 3 is totally villain dependent but since he's a poster it looks like you're beat
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Hand 3 is totally villain dependent but since he's a poster it looks like you're beat
Uh oh, who did I run into on this one?
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Hand 3 is totally villain dependent but since he's a poster it looks like you're beat
Uh oh, who did I run into on this one?
not an FTR poster
a CO poster

I had to look over the hand history to figure that one out lol
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Hand 3 is totally villain dependent but since he's a poster it looks like you're beat
Uh oh, who did I run into on this one?
not an FTR poster
a CO poster

I had to look over the hand history to figure that one out lol
Ohhhh. I get it now. For a second I thought you were a psychic or had hacked into my hand histories or something...

Forgive my ignorance, but what effect does him being a poster make? Are people that have posted more likely to show up with sets or strange two-pairs?
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a7/a6 is more likely but I wouldn't say it matters that much
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:07 AM #17 (permalink)  
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a7/a6 is more likely but I wouldn't say it matters that much
Yes, this is what I meant, sorry to OP that I wasn't clear. I agree that it doesn't matter that much but this is something that factors in on such a read-dependent decision.
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