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Old 02-24-2007, 01:46 PM     Post subject: Set over set, are you always paying it? #1 (permalink)  
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We've all experienced the pain of set over set. As an inexperienced cash game player, are you always paying it?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $15.35
MP1: $34.10
MP2: $37.55
MP3: $24.90
CO: $48.30
Button: $43.10
Hero: $65.95
BB: $1.90

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 8 8
UTG raises to $1.1, 6 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: Q 8 A ($2.45, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.8, Hero calls.

Turn: 5 ($6.05, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG calls.

River: J ($14.05, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG raises all-in $18.1, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $50.25
UTG showed Qc Qh
Hero mucks 8c 8d
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:02 PM #2 (permalink)  
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up to 50nl you´re supposed to pay off over sets. since the average player will stack off w/ TPTK+ you need some kind of a monster read to let your set go. i might fold a set on a four flush board if stacks aren´t deep enough to draw to a boat. bottom set in a limped/weak raised pot, where the action explodes might be a spot to fold, too.
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Old 02-24-2007, 03:50 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Most of the time you will see AQ do the same thing here. Laying it down on this board w/o a 3 flush or a 3 straight like T98 monotone is impossible at these limits
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Old 02-24-2007, 04:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 I know one thing, you def. have a set.
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Old 02-24-2007, 05:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Yep, always paying it.
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Old 02-24-2007, 06:24 PM #6 (permalink)  
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up to 100nl you´re supposed to pay off over sets.
FYP, but you have the jist of it.
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Old 02-24-2007, 07:15 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Here all the time. Villian could have AQ/AJ just as easily as could you.
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Old 02-24-2007, 07:26 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I'd raise flop, check raise turn all in (and pay it off)

Edit - esp as he only has $15!!
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Old 02-24-2007, 11:23 PM #9 (permalink)  
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no, here is one example where I was sure I was beat. I even typed 33 in the chat before folding.

** Game ID 1223716357 starting - 2007-02-24 00:29:45
** Chincerinchee [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- caso_ sitting in seat 1 with $744.00
- Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 2 with $936.47
- sebbe_09 sitting in seat 3 with $38.00 [Dealer]
- huggan sitting in seat 4 with $321.23
- dei sitting in seat 5 with $469.30

huggan posted the small blind - $2.00
dei posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: ,
caso_ folded
Cocco_Bill called - $4.00
sebbe_09 raised - $12.00
huggan called - $12.00
dei called - $12.00
Cocco_Bill called - $12.00

** Dealing the flop: , , :Js:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill checked
sebbe_09 checked

** Dealing the turn:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill bet - $29.00
sebbe_09 went all-in - $26.00
huggan called - $29.00
dei called - $29.00

** Dealing the river:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill bet - $80.50
huggan folded
dei went all-in - $432.30
Cocco_Bill folded
dei shows: ,
sebbe_09 mucks:
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:52 AM #10 (permalink)  
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up to 500000000nl you´re supposed to pay off over sets.
FYP
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Old 02-25-2007, 02:01 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I don't know if the stakes really matter, but with 100 BB effective stacks I'm pretty much always paying off without an outstanding read.
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no, here is one example where I was sure I was beat. I even typed 33 in the chat before folding.

** Game ID 1223716357 starting - 2007-02-24 00:29:45
** Chincerinchee [Hold 'em] (2.00|4.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- caso_ sitting in seat 1 with $744.00
- Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 2 with $936.47
- sebbe_09 sitting in seat 3 with $38.00 [Dealer]
- huggan sitting in seat 4 with $321.23
- dei sitting in seat 5 with $469.30

huggan posted the small blind - $2.00
dei posted the big blind - $4.00
** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: ,
caso_ folded
Cocco_Bill called - $4.00
sebbe_09 raised - $12.00
huggan called - $12.00
dei called - $12.00
Cocco_Bill called - $12.00

** Dealing the flop: , , :Js:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill checked
sebbe_09 checked

** Dealing the turn:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill bet - $29.00
sebbe_09 went all-in - $26.00
huggan called - $29.00
dei called - $29.00

** Dealing the river:
huggan checked
dei checked
Cocco_Bill bet - $80.50
huggan folded
dei went all-in - $432.30
Cocco_Bill folded
dei shows: ,
sebbe_09 mucks:
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The flop, turn and river can change everything. It is important to remain objective and remember that the overall goal is to win, not win this specific hand
 
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Old 02-25-2007, 09:54 AM #13 (permalink)  
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up to 500000000nl you´re supposed to pay off over sets.
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not correct. Only campers think this.
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