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dranger7070
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03-20-2009, 06:50 PM
Post subject: Set of K's on monotone flop vs two loose opps
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57/23/2 and 63/15/2 over 20 hands for both. I'm obv not folding, but is shoving the best play here? Just flat? I'm just confused as to what I should have done here although I'm pretty sure getting it in on the flop is standard.
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LawDude
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That Johnny Viva really sounds like a nice character.
With these sorts of loose players, their ranges probably includes everything from made flushes to flush draws to sets, 2 pair, and top pair. One concern is that there are two of them, which increases the likelihood that one may have the flush. (On the other hand, if they both have a draw, it decreases the likelihood that either one will hit the flush.)
I assume you therefore want to be thinking about an eventual shove, and you need to bet enough to give either Villain an incorrect price on a flush draw.
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wtf are you doing, raise
you have 40% equity vs. a flush, your opponents could have over 9000 combinations of pair + flush draw, straight draw + flush draw, two pair, set, etc.
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dranger7070
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Never said I didnt raise imo. I just stopped the action there so I could ask to see how much other ppl would raise.
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raise pot?
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mgn465
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depends, Raise maybe!
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Originally Posted by mgn465
depends, Raise maybe!
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AFchung
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i raise to 1.75 on flop and shove non heart turn given their stack sizes
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shove because Johnny is steaming and he'll likely call any pair or flush draw here to any sized bet.
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$2.15
and we have like 33-35% equity vs. a floosh, not 40
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Fucking hell man, if you raised, you did the right thing. I'm NEVER folding with that preflop action and a set a of Kings. Calling here is just being prudent. If you somehow get it all-in on this flop and one of them flopped a flush so be it. You still have outs. Three to a flush used to scare me but then I stopped being so damn paranoid. It's that fourth suit that falls on the river you gotta worry about. 
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i don't like shoving because even the loosest of players are scared off by betting 5x's the pot. if you do that then you're changing the majority of their range against yourself.
if they 3bet, then it's time to push (i'm more scared of someone calling an overbet push than i am of someone three betting a draw-heavy board).
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Raise 2.15 - 2.50 depending on how much johnny is tilting / call a shove.
If ether of them turn over the nuts, make a detailed note.
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