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02-22-2009, 10:09 PM
Post subject: Session Reviews
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Flush
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How does everyone here review their sessions? Do you go through every hand you played? Or do you go beyond that and look at hands you weren't in as well? What specific things do you look for? And do you mentally take notes or do you keep a blog or session journal?
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youngunpoker
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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I look closely at the hands I played to see what mistakes I made and how i could have played it differently to increase my profit. I don't usually look at what other people do because I don't want it to affect the way I play. Some might disagree and say i could learn new ways of playing a hand but that's just me. If a player is to the extremes of either good or bad then I will take note of it in the software. For example PS has that little note bar at the bottom. Definatley go over your session though it will improve your game immensly
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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i look at the biggest winners and losers of the session (or any pot over 50bbs) to see if i am happy with how i played the hand.
Also, while playing i might grab a hand that i was surprised at showdown to see what i missed or may have been assuming about my opponents
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LawDude
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2009
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I play live poker, and engage in two sorts of memorization while at the table. First, I try to remember hands that tell me something about how the other players play. In other words, if someone makes a weak fold in a situation where I would have expected a call or raise (e.g., where the bettor appears to be bluffing), I note it. If a player takes a bad beat and then seems to go on tilt, I try to remember everything they are doing in case I get a chance to take him on.
Second, I make a mental note of any hand where I lose a lot of money as well as any hand where I think I might have misplayed. I replay those hands in my mind to determine whether I could play them better, and (especially) whether my reads were correct and, if not, what was the mistake I was making.
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kb coolman
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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With HEM, it's super easy to mark you hands for later review. It's one of my favorite features. I'll go back and review all of the hands I marked, and generally most of the hands that went to showdown. Those are the best ones for defining and confirming ranges.
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dev
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Last time I saw a thread named session reviews it was where we paired up with partners and reviewed each other's sessions. Anyone down?
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Check out my self-deprecation here!
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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I look at all my biggest losing hands because I know I played those bad
I don't bother with the biggest winners because I'm sure I played those perfectly.
Anything under 100bb doesn't affect your winrate so I don't bother
(oh yea, I'm tired and that's a huge level)
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Keith
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Full House
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I've volunteered recently to be the next next sweat sesh subject on the subject of reveiwing sessions after playing them, mainly because I've still got relatively little cash game experience and I felt that trying to play 2 tables , talk and listen to all the theory and suggestions made would be too much. Most Video's on the net seem to concentrate with commentary whilst playing and I thought that a session concentrating on reviewing sessions, stats and trying to find leaks from them would be beneficial to the beginners (like me) as a whole.
XTR is busy with exams at the moment so if anyone interested keeps watching for the announcement of an actual time and date. I'm busy putting hands in at the moment and currently I'm getting used to two tabling 5NL.All ins are killing me at the moment though so they will likely form some interesting debate.I'm currently down $23 on them on expected value basis with AA last night getting cracked by KK with it all in preflop. I'm currently dfrawing up a list of the hands involved to post in a thread mainly so that people can comment on whether i'm actually going all in in the wrong spots , so if anyone sees the thread when i get it posted please excuse the number of hands involved
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dev
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4-of-a-Kind
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Stop worrying about 'all ins killing you'. If you got the money in good, be happy, you'll win over time. Your focus is in the wrong place I think.
You might find some of the stuff on grinderschool interesting. I'm sure there's a video on session reviewing.
Btw, sweat sessions = good idea. If anyone wants to set some up in vent or whatever, I think it'll help everyone involved. Even if two inexperienced players got together to think thru some hands, the worst case is that they end up posting some hands that they disagreed on and we can all get a good discussion out of it.
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loonychune
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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I don't do nearly enough hand and session reviews, or at least, I don't put enough time into reviewing hands/sessions. What do you have in mind exactly Dev? Is Ventrillo anything like teamviewer?
To answer the initial question, I tend to just review hands won and hands lost (the emphasis being on hands lost, coz i'm a lazy dick), but since i've got a few hands in lately, i'm going to go through the past week's sessions and look at all the hands i haven't played, looking for certain types of hands and look to see if I am letting them go too lightly pf... hands like KQ-KT i'm fairly lost on pf and I open a lot of hands in later positions just on a whim.
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dev
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4-of-a-Kind
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If you're thinking of adding hands to your preflop strategy, it's hard to get anything useful from your hand histories. If your changing the way you play them, it's probably best to just make the change and test it out. What reviews really help with is post flop strategies. Mess with the filters, check out all of your 3bet hands, check out how you play AQ and AJ after the flop, check out how you play against different types of players.
I haven't been in there in a long time, but FTR used to have a ventrilo server. We may still have one. The info should be in a sticky in the commune. If not IRC works just as well. PM an ftr'r that plays at your limits and ask if you can sweat each other a bit.
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loonychune
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Straight
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If you're thinking of adding hands to your preflop strategy, it's hard to get anything useful from your hand histories. If your changing the way you play them, it's probably best to just make the change and test it out.
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I suppose I meant to look more at if i'm going into fold mode with marginal hands vs players with a wide opening range. I might play one hand vs players A,B,C one day and then fold against the same bunch of players the next. I see what you mean though as for opening up pf.
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I haven't been in there in a long time, but FTR used to have a ventrilo server. We may still have one. The info should be in a sticky in the commune. If not IRC works just as well.
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I think it'd be a good thing to do, i'll see what's going on in the #ftr.
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dranger7070
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In response to Dev's suggestion, I'm currently grinding 5nl, so if anyone else wants to do a sweat some time hit me up through a pm or on aim.
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
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Im gonna set up a group sweat sesh for the upcoming weekend with hand history/pt/HM review as main topic.
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Sir Pawnalot
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Full House
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When I am really into poker I review my hands during sleep. I wake up in the morning with my trouble hands already analyzed.
I can also review my sessions while I am driving, jogging and walking in the forrest. If I have forgotten minor details I need to check HH.
Hands that I have played badly haunt me for a very long time. Therefore I replay those trouble hands many times in my head. Making a mistake is sometimes so painful I can not play poker in weeks.
When reviewing a session I think it is important to be happy and calm. This is the ideal state for learning- happy and calm!
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A foolish man learns nothing from his mistakes.
A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
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oskar
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I look at all my biggest losing hands because I know I played those bad
I don't bother with the biggest winners because I'm sure I played those perfectly.
Anything under 100bb doesn't affect your winrate so I don't bother
(oh yea, I'm tired and that's a huge level)
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Pretty much what I do... minus the sarcasm.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I look at all my biggest losing hands because I know I played those bad
I don't bother with the biggest winners because I'm sure I played those perfectly.
Anything under 100bb doesn't affect your winrate so I don't bother
(oh yea, I'm tired and that's a huge level)
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Pretty much what I do... minus the sarcasm. |
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Sir Pawnalot
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I am curious about what you meant by this Spenda:
"Anything under 100bb doesn't affect your winrate so I don't bother"
IMO every decision we make affects our winrate.
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A foolish man learns nothing from his mistakes.
A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
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dranger7070
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OMG he was being sarcastic sir pawnalot.
Did you read his whole post or what? He even said at the bottom that it was a level...
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Sir Pawnalot
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Full House
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If you have read my posts you should know I do not understand irony and sarcasm.
TY for helping me with that.
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A foolish man learns nothing from his mistakes.
A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
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Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot
If you have read my posts you should know I do not understand irony and sarcasm.
TY for helping me with that.
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Fuck, are you being sarcastic?
Actually...don't answer that... whatever you say will sound ironic
btw sign me up for the session review sweat
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dranger7070
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot
If you have read my posts you should know I do not understand irony and sarcasm.
TY for helping me with that.
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lol apparently. but he even said that he was leveling... so are you being sarcastic? I'm as confused as iopq
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Sir Pawnalot
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Full House
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No I was not being sarcastic.
I was not familiar with the term "levelling". Now I understand it probably refers to different "levels" of thought.
Spenda was thinking one level deeper and what he said what supposed to be understood negatively- the opposite of what he really said. What he said was so dumb that people immidiately understood he was being ironic.
Through his stupidity he was able to show that there are many answers to how we should review our sessions. All answers is equally dumb in the sense that it is a personal thing and we should do what suits us best.
If this is close to understanding what he meant- I am happy and calm.
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A foolish man learns nothing from his mistakes.
A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
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kb coolman
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Levelling just means you're kidding, SP.
And cut Pawnalot a break, guys. He's mentioned serveral times that he's borderline Asberger. Not tuning into sarcasm and irony is a classic symptom.
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Level 0 - What do I mean?
Level 1 - What does my interlocutor mean?
Level 2 - What does my interlocutor think I mean?
Level 3 - What does my interlocutor think that I think he means?
and so on.
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Sir Pawnalot
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Full House
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Hakuna matata...
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A foolish man learns nothing from his mistakes.
A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
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dranger7070
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LOL I read that as "Hanukkah" at first 
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GatorJH
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^^^^^^ mmmmmmm Sara Jean Underwood
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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XTR1000
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^^^^^^ mmmmmmm Sara Jean Underwood
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Originally Posted by bigred
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