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ProZachNation

09-10-2008, 02:50 AM Post subject: Session I had earlier today. 10nl where am I leaking

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So I played a 9 table about an hour 15 minute session. Was up at one table to about $27 but ended up down for the session $.1

Now I was kinda surprised, I hadn't been stacked the entire session, lost a allin or 2 or a short stack, had a few semi bluffs turn sour, boards turn bad after I value bet down. But no real spots were I could point to were I lost so much money.

So here are some hands from this session

Hand 1: a little bit of history on this guy, saw him get all in on the flop with a gut shot draw, he was running 60/9, I value bet him every street with a weak flush earlier.
In my experience at these limits w/o a solid read this usually is not a bluff correct?
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Wolfserker ($1.85)
UTG+1 buckfush25 ($2.95)
MP1 cfvr ($12.00)
MP2 SaintPaulia ($13.85)
MP3 jfdhdfj ($17.25)
CO msv83 ($1.65)
BTN Hero ($9.85)
SB S AHBI 40 ($4.45)
BB joeymac826 ($10.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is BTN

4 folds, jfdhdfj calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, joeymac826 calls $0.40, jfdhdfj folds

Flop:

($1.15, 2 players)
joeymac826 checks, Hero bets $0.80, joeymac826 calls $0.80

Turn:

($2.75, 2 players)
joeymac826 checks, Hero bets $1.30, joeymac826 raises to $4, Hero folds

Final Pot: $5.35

joeymac826 wins $7.80 ( won +$2.50 )
Hero lost -$2.60
jfdhdfj lost -$0.10

Hand 2: First hand with this guy sitting down no stats on him. This is a good place or bad place to fire a 2nd barrel?
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG playermaniac ($9.60)
UTG+1 Hero ($9.85)
MP goof19 ($3.00)
CO mikka1954 ($6.00)
BTN AcesG13 ($4.35)
SB toi doi ($11.50)
BB AceXack ($10.50)
[goof19 posted $0.1]
[mikka1954 posted $0.1]

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 7 players) Hero is UTG+1

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 1 fold, mikka1954 calls $0.50, 3 folds

Flop:

($1.45, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, mikka1954 calls $0.70

Turn:

($2.85, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, mikka1954 goes all-in $4.70, Hero folds

Final Pot: $5.85

mikka1954 wins $8.80 ( won +$2.80 )
Hero lost -$2.80

Hand 3: No real history vs this guy, pretty standard, fold on river good?
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Tailyn ($9.55)
UTG+1 AceXack ($9.70)
MP1 playermaniac ($9.85)
MP2 Hero ($9.85)
CO VMaxer666 ($2.65)
BTN AcesG13 ($5.20)
SB toi doi ($11.10)
BB Darchrow84 ($3.70)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is MP2

Tailyn calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, 4 folds, Tailyn calls $0.40

Flop:

($1.15, 2 players)
Tailyn checks, Hero bets $0.60, Tailyn calls $0.60

Turn:

($2.35, 2 players)
Tailyn checks, Hero bets $1.20, Tailyn calls $1.20

River:

($4.75, 2 players)
Tailyn goes all-in $7.25, Hero folds

Final Pot: $4.75

Tailyn wins $11.80 ( won +$2.25 )
Hero lost -$2.30

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bjsaust

09-10-2008, 04:00 AM

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You know theres no rule saying you NEED to c-bet every flop and double barrel every turn if called right?

Hand 1 seems fine.

Hand 2 I'd check/fold turn. I may even c/f flop since he calls our cbet a LOT there.

Hand 3 I cant possibly fathom why you're betting this turn...

Just playing to improve.

AFchung

09-10-2008, 04:04 AM

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Hand 2 u shouldve just c/f after he called. if he was drawing to his straight he just got there. and that board is uglyyy

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DaddyDeez

09-10-2008, 04:34 AM

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Hand 1 seems fine

Hand 2 i dont like the c-bet here, double barrel makes it worse.

hand 3 bet on flop isnt to bad but i check turn here, and ofcourse fold river.

to me from these 3 hands it seems like your leaking, Try not to be so aggressive, u wont ever get these micro donks to fold so dont even try.

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09-10-2008, 05:23 AM

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At NL10 I'd consider checking in hand 2 because cbetting has to be -EV against donks that are way too loose. If you get pushed off your hand by a worse one, you only folded ace-high.

But that flop hit his range super-hard. He's calling you with these high connected cards and mid pps. I don't think he's going away with 78 or 99 here.

Now if you had an overpair, that would be all the more reason to bet this flop.

SiCK_Boy

09-10-2008, 10:14 AM

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Why is hand 1 judged to be fine?

Isn't he giving his opponent good odds for drawing his flush by betting only 0,80 $? It makes for a 0,80:1,95 (approx. 1:2,5) ratio for the Villain to call, while his chances of getting the flush in two cards are more like 1:2?

Shouldn't he bet a little bit over the pot instead? (like 1,45 $)

Or do you just consider the odds of the villain getting the flush from the turn?

I've been in exactly this situation this afternoon in a live game (Pocket Aces against a flush draw... finally won on the river when it showed a 4th club card while I held the Ace of Club against a King High Flush of Club... still, I've been thinking all day long about my moves and the sizes of the bet I used in that situation)

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09-10-2008, 10:21 AM

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#2 My first thought was cbetting isn´t cool either, but with overs and a gutshot i dont really mind firing once. Turn is terrible card to double barrel, all of his 9x just caught it, if he got here with a Jack he doesnt fold now and KQ sticks around anyway. I really cant imagine a hand he´d fold beside AT/KT

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bjsaust

09-10-2008, 10:29 AM

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He calls to see a turn, not to see a turn and a river.

Just playing to improve.

09-10-2008, 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SiCK_Boy

We're not planning on letting him see the second card for free. That means we'll bet pot on the turn if the flush card doesn't come.

tom

09-10-2008, 04:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SiCK_Boy

you're confusing the turn pot with the flop pot, .80 into 1.15 on the flop is much more standard and denies the express odds for the flush draw.

I'm not sure about the turn bet though, it's a little under half the pot(1.30 into 2.75). Though with extremely straight forward villains(aka 10NL) I guess it could save some money here...

jolub

09-10-2008, 05:35 PM

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