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Checkways
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07-28-2005, 10:47 PM
Post subject: Semi-bluffing the turn
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Straight
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You're in late position and you bet the flop with your 8+ outer. You get 1-2 callers. Turn is a blank.
I know that there is a billion different factors involved, but how often do you guys fire again when it's checked to you?
Do you like to bet or take the free card?
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CrunchyNuts
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I check almost always. They either like thier hand enough to call you or are also on a draw worth calling. The river's the time to bluff if you think they haven't made their draw or it looks like you have.
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spino1i
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Sorry but I need more information.. did you raise pre-flop? What position do your two opps have? What position (exact) do you have? What % of the pot did you bet on the flop? Are your opponents conservative or liberal? passive or aggressive?
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outphase
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Originally Posted by spino1i
Are your opponents conservative or liberal?
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It'll be hard to find their political preferences at a poker table 
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by outphase
It'll be hard to find their political preferences at a poker table |
I thought conservatives were against gambling? They're obviously liberals.
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Rondavu
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Conservatives don't want anyone else having their chips,
while Liberals want the rake to go up so all the losers can get rakeback.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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EricE
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07-29-2005, 04:11 PM
Post subject: Re: Semi-bluffing the turn
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Checkways
You're in late position and you bet the flop with your 8+ outer. You get 1-2 callers. Turn is a blank.
I know that there is a billion different factors involved, but how often do you guys fire again when it's checked to you?
Do you like to bet or take the free card?
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The simple answer is that it depends upon the chance of someone (or both) folding to your bet.
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Conservatives don't want anyone else having their chips,
while Liberals want the rake to go up so all the losers can get Rakeback. |
So Pure!
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Checkways
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
I check almost always. They either like thier hand enough to call you or are also on a draw worth calling. The river's the time to bluff if you think they haven't made their draw or it looks like you have.
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This is what I usually do too. I love the free card. But I recently have found that a bigger sized bet on the turn will often get them to fold. It's like one bet is nothing, but two bets is serious - type of mentality. They will fold their TPMK a lot of times.
Also, when I check the turn, a bluff on the river pretty much never works unless they were on a draw too. So on the turn I have to decide, do I want to bluff, or do I want to draw. I don't think I can do both if I check unless I'm drawing to a str8 and a third club comes on the river.
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Checkways
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Straight
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Originally Posted by spino1i
Sorry but I need more information.. did you raise pre-flop? What position do your two opps have? What position (exact) do you have? What % of the pot did you bet on the flop? Are your opponents conservative or liberal? passive or aggressive?
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Yeah, it's a very general question. I was hoping other people would just fill in the variables like, "If I'm the pfr then I will..." etc.
In my scenario you're in late position and everyone has checked to you twice now.
Typically, I'd say that in a big pot I generally take the free card because I'm not willing to bet deep enough to get the callers to fold.
Obviously if they're calling stations you shouldn't bet here.
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Checkways
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Originally Posted by outphase
It'll be hard to find their political preferences at a poker table |
Wouldn't this be funny though? You're on the river, your opp pushes all-in. And you say, "Who did you vote for in 2004?"
"Bush"
"I call".
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vegaas2
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Join Date: May 2005
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Based upon your scenario, I push it here. I am a firm believer in positional aggression.
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Ram and Jam!
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Laeelin
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Conservatives don't want anyone else having their chips,
while Liberals want the rake to go up so all the losers can get Rakeback. |
wow, perfect discription!
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Eric
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I like to mix it up in that spot. Semi-bluffing on the flop is something I love to do. With only 1 more card coming I sometimes just take it for free.
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Pingviini
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Full House
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I like to semi-bluff the flop, bet or re-raise and then get the free card on turn. This all with position, OOP just check.
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