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Old 06-20-2009, 07:23 PM     Post subject: Rivered nut straight but possible flush/full house board #1 (permalink)  

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Should i put in a bet on the river or check to be content to have won a nice pot.? Do you think villian is checking as a sign of weakness or because he has a big hand and wants to trap?
Villian is 22/14/4

given villians stats what hand range can we put him on.
Can this be a case if im beat he calls or re raise and if he is beat he will fold to a pot size bet so its better off to check?

With his agression level being a 3 does his check indicate weakness most of the time ? I know there are some TAG's that will bet bet check a monster to induce a bluff on the river.


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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K
3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) J, A, 10 (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.33) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

River: ($0.65) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ?
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:42 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Do not limp AK pre

I probably bet like 30 on river and hope he cry calls with Ax. If you're really worried he's goign to c/r you then obv just check. I doubt he's goign to c/r here though - he bet 2 streets then looks like he's tryin to either get a cheap showdown or he's just given up as all the draws got there.
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Old 06-20-2009, 07:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hey Muzz. Why are we trying to get value after getting runner-runnered by the 2 most scariest cards in the deck?
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 06-20-2009, 08:01 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hey Muzz. Why are we trying to get value after getting runner-runnered by the 2 most scariest cards in the deck?
We have a straight, he checked. There is no way he's bettiing flop and turn and checking a flush. He may have a fullhose and hope we bet a rivered flush, coz thats what our hand looks like. But I doubt it - if we rivered a flulsh we'd likely raise the river, so he should just bet/3bet.

Why is turn/river scary? We're way underreped. l/c pre. Although being underreped doesnt really matter now given the board and our hand.

If you're really seeing mosters under the bed yah, just check. But I'd bet/fold the end - he aint raising worse and I think he'll cry call a fair %.

I think the maain point in this hand is WHY THE HELL ARE WE LIMP CALLING AKo!?!?
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Old 06-20-2009, 08:08 PM #5 (permalink)  

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Thanks Muzzard you have gave the best advice on this hand. Im going to post the results because you gave the advice i needed to hear.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K
3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) J, A, 10 (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.33) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

River: ($0.65) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $0.65 | Rake: $0.04
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can you answer why you limp/call AK preflop?
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I did not have any reads at the table and i was in a passive mood today. In a cash game Usually Ill raise with AK about 75% of the time and limp 25%. I guess i just like to control the pot size when i have top pair top kicker. Is this the wrong approach if were only 100 BB deep?

Seems like i was beat on the flop here and didnt even know it.

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CO ($5.91)
Button ($0.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K
3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) J, A, 10 (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.33) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

River: ($0.65) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $0.65 | Rake: $0.04

Results:
SB had A, J (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
Hero had A, K (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $0.61
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so if you're limping the fourth best hand possible some of the time, I'm guessing you limp JJ to setmine?
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Old 06-21-2009, 12:11 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I did not have any reads at the table and i was in a passive mood today
your play should not be dictated by how you feel.
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Is it wrong to limp JJ?
lol j/k
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I did not have any reads at the table and i was in a passive mood today
your play should not be dictated by how you feel.
Im human not a robot.
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Old 06-21-2009, 04:53 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I did not have any reads at the table and i was in a passive mood today
your play should not be dictated by how you feel.
Im human not a robot.
strangest defense for a play i've heard on FTR

never limp AKo UTG. even if you currently have a craving for Chipotle

anyway definitely bet river. the only flush i see here is combo draws and there like aren't any in his range. maybe MP + FD, but it's a small part of his range. villain has the possibility of being a thinking player so he should know to never check with a boat here unless he has a read on you that you are capable of bluffing river scare cards and there are like 2 villains in all of 2NL who take this good of notes and are able to take advantage of it. long-winded way of saying you're probably ahead here and plenty of worse hands call (two pairs dominate his range).
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