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Knytestorme
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06-28-2008, 07:38 PM
Post subject: right or wrong way to play this?
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 562
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10th hand at table, first NL in about 6 months, zero reads on anyone
Put SB on a squeeze and once original raiser folded I decided to make a move. Was this the right way to play it, or should my three bet be lower to give me a chance to fold if four bet? Or do I just call? Pitch?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
MP ($46.05)
Hero ($23.55)
Button ($25)
SB ($63)
BB ($50.25)
UTG ($29.40)
Preflop: Hero is CO with T , T .
1 fold, MP raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, Button calls $0.85, SB raises to $4.6, 1 fold, MP folds, Hero raises to $24.4 (All-In), Button folds, SB calls $19.05.
Flop: ($49.25) K , 3, 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($49.25) J (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($49.25) A (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $50
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poker_pup
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I'm probably a sissy, but I would have folded.
The only read I have on the villian is that he's up more than one buy in at this table. Without any other reads, I assume he got there by playing tight and aggressive. I assume from the size of his bet that he's got pocket Kings or pocket Aces and I fold.
Absent any other reads, I respect raises from people who are winning.
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JKDS
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Full House
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i hate the call raise, push a reraise line. i dont think villain ever puts u on anything except a small pocket pair. If your gonna be going AI with 10s though, i think the better way to do it is to reaise the initial raiser.
also, do squeezes really happen at 25nl? i think thats too advanced for this level.
so says the noob!
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kmind
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Straight Flush
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why are we bluffing with TT?
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Knytestorme
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Flush
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To be honest, I think this play was influenced by my playing too much LHE recently.
The limp, re-raise is used in limit so much to indicate AA that when I saw what was most likely a squeeze by the SB I figured I'd resqueeze and rep a monster hand while having outs as long as I wasn't against an overpair.
After this hand and thinking about it I made this post to get some more opinions. I'm currently of the mind that a better play would have been calling and re-evaluating on the flop since a 3-bet would be close to committing me anyway if he 4-bet shoved.
In the context of this hand though, I don't think that would have mattered since if I put him on a steal then the K doesn't really change my mind too much and if he c/r's me I'm committed anyway and like my hand a lot less than shoving pre.
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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Now I don't know shit about anything really, but imo you call the first best from MP for 0.85c then when sb 3b you have to fold as your not getting near enough implied odds.
To add to that this is 25nl and I highly doubt villian is 3b light ooop. You will have position on the flop, however revert back to your implied odds which aren't near good enough against SBs 3bing range here as you are either racing or dominated. So let it go.
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bikes
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a hot damn mess
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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If the villian is capable of a squeeze, meh, its so close here at 25nl, id prolly just pitch it to his 3bet/squeeze
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lucky7s
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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with no reads on the opponent I would have probably folded & waited for a better opportunity to be honest. Even if he had just called your raise with the cards that came out you would have been hard pushed to win the pot
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Fnord
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I think shoving here is pretty terrible. You have a good hand + position. I would see a flop if you think his range has a lot of crap.
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Knytestorme
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Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I think shoving here is pretty terrible. You have a good hand + position. I would see a flop if you think his range has a lot of crap.
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yep, this after more thought.
Would be very unlikely anyone else was coming along after me and with position it would have made it easier. Still puts me in a difficult position though if the flop comes with any J+ and he leads into me.
Even if flop comes 927 and he leads in then we're raising and committed aren't we?
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lucky7s
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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[quote="Knytestorme"]
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Even if flop comes 927 and he leads in then we're raising and committed aren't we?
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Yeah but he probably woud have two overcards rather than a higher pocket pair so the worst that would have happen was being sucked out
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Knytestorme
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Flush
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[quote="lucky7s"]
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Even if flop comes 927 and he leads in then we're raising and committed aren't we?
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Yeah but he probably woud have two overcards rather than a higher pocket pair so the worst that would have happen was being sucked out |
And that is the point. At what stage pre or post does it become more likely he has only something like AK rather than a PP.
If a flop comes 972 and we get committed to getting it all in on that flop because they most likely have two overs rather than a PP then why would we be unwilling to push with TT pre other than so we can take a look at the flop and get away if it comes J+ and he leads in?
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lucky7s
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Blackpool
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i've just looked at the hand again, i was talking rubbish prob did have pp, I take back what I said, why would he push all in with AK he doesn't have pos on you
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tabba012345
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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i dont understand any of the orginal post but from my thinking you never want to get all of your chips in pre with 1010 in a 9 handed game my pre flop all in range consist of tweo hands aa kk and sometimes folding kk from a lot of action....if u know nothjing abouyt the player i would always call here and if its unfriendly i.e with an jk or a king i would probaly go away....however if u knw somethig about him there are serveral more option open to you particular in postion....remeber that most people dont go broke with just ace high so floating him to see if he bets the turn could work. min rasing him on the flop and see how much he likes it..if your read on him is good and he cant stand a bet on the turn fire for 75 percent of pot....remeber putting other people on hands and selling your own is the key to bluffing at pots. all this stuff of on ev implied odds counts for nothing if you dont get a feel for the player and how your hands could be read by others
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