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Old 11-08-2005, 06:16 PM     Post subject: reraising rules #1 (permalink)  
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I remember when we first started playing and any reraise would be the minimum bet of the big blind. Now we realize that any reraise is the minimum bet of the the last raise.

There's still a little confusion. What about a re-reraise? Is it the minimum raise the amount of the last raise or the amount of the first raise? Someone told me that a re-reraise minimum raise amount is the size of the first raise.

Let's look at the example below. There are 3 raises going here.

EXAMPLE A:
Seat 1 posts 200 small blind.
Seat 2 posts 400 big blind.
Seat 3 raises to 1000 (a raise of 600).
Seat 4 raises to at least 1700 (1000 + 100 above a minimum raise of 600 =700).
Seat 5 raises to 2300 (1700 + minimum raise of the first raise = 600)

OR IS THIS CORRECT??

EXAMPLE B:
Seat 1 posts 200 small blind.
Seat 2 posts 400 big blind.
Seat 3 raises to 1000 (a raise of 600).
Seat 4 raises to at least 1700 (1000 + 100 above a minimum raise of 600 =700).
Seat 5 raises to 2400 (1700 + minimum raise of the last raise = 700)

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Old 11-08-2005, 06:23 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Pre-flop Betting

Seat 1 posts 200 small blind.
Seat 2 posts 400 big blind.
Seat 3 may fold, call 400, or raise to at least 800 (400 + a minimum raise of 400). He raises to 1000 (a raise of 600).
Seat 4 may fold, call 1000, or raise to at least 1600 (1000 + a minimum raise of 600). He calls.
Seat 5 and 6 have the same options as seat 4. Both fold.
Seat 1 may fold, call by adding 800, or raise to at least 1600. He calls.
Seat 2 may fold, call by adding 600, or raise to at least 1600. He calls.
Flop Betting

Seat 1 may fold, check, or bet at least 400 (the bring-in). He checks.
Seat 2 has the same options as Seat 1. He bets 500.
Seat 3 may fold, call 500, or raise to at least 1000 (500 + a minimum raise of 500). He raises to 1200 (a raise of 700).
Seat 4 may fold, call 1200, or raise to at least 1900 (1200 + a minimum raise of 700). He folds.
Seat 1 has the same options as Seat 4. He folds.
Seat 2 may fold, call by adding 700, or raise to at least 1900.
Turn and River betting are similar to the Flop

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Old 11-08-2005, 10:59 PM #3 (permalink)  
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This doesn't answer my question. But thanks for trying.

Notice my example has three raises?

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Pre-flop Betting

Seat 1 posts 200 small blind.
Seat 2 posts 400 big blind.
Seat 3 may fold, call 400, or raise to at least 800 (400 + a minimum raise of 400). He raises to 1000 (a raise of 600).
Seat 4 may fold, call 1000, or raise to at least 1600 (1000 + a minimum raise of 600). He calls.
Seat 5 and 6 have the same options as seat 4. Both fold.
Seat 1 may fold, call by adding 800, or raise to at least 1600. He calls.
Seat 2 may fold, call by adding 600, or raise to at least 1600. He calls.
Flop Betting

Seat 1 may fold, check, or bet at least 400 (the bring-in). He checks.
Seat 2 has the same options as Seat 1. He bets 500.
Seat 3 may fold, call 500, or raise to at least 1000 (500 + a minimum raise of 500). He raises to 1200 (a raise of 700).
Seat 4 may fold, call 1200, or raise to at least 1900 (1200 + a minimum raise of 700). He folds.
Seat 1 has the same options as Seat 4. He folds.
Seat 2 may fold, call by adding 700, or raise to at least 1900.
Turn and River betting are similar to the Flop

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Old 11-08-2005, 11:03 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 There's an obscure rule related to minimum raises that I'll add.

Seat 1 posts the small blind of 200.
Seat 2 posts the big blind of 400.
Seat 3 raises to 1000 (600 raise)
Seat 4 only has 1200 left and he pushes all-in.
Seat 1 folds.
Seat 2 calls 1200 (puts in 800 more).
Seat 3 only has the option to call or fold, and even though he was "raised" from 1000 to 1200, it was technically not a full raise, and therefore he does not have the option to RE-raise again to try to push out player 2.

I think I've described this properly. It's only ever happened to me once or twice.

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Old 11-09-2005, 12:32 AM #5 (permalink)  
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This doesn't answer my question. But thanks for trying.

Notice my example has three raises?

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Pre-flop Betting

Seat 1 posts 200 small blind.
Seat 2 posts 400 big blind.
Seat 3 may fold, call 400, or raise to at least 800 (400 + a minimum raise of 400). He raises to 1000 (a raise of 600).
Seat 4 may fold, call 1000, or raise to at least 1600 (1000 + a minimum raise of 600). He calls.
Seat 5 and 6 have the same options as seat 4. Both fold.
Seat 1 may fold, call by adding 800, or raise to at least 1600. He calls.
Seat 2 may fold, call by adding 600, or raise to at least 1600. He calls.
Flop Betting

Seat 1 may fold, check, or bet at least 400 (the bring-in). He checks.
Seat 2 has the same options as Seat 1. He bets 500.
Seat 3 may fold, call 500, or raise to at least 1000 (500 + a minimum raise of 500). He raises to 1200 (a raise of 700).
Seat 4 may fold, call 1200, or raise to at least 1900 (1200 + a minimum raise of 700). He folds.
Seat 1 has the same options as Seat 4. He folds.
Seat 2 may fold, call by adding 700, or raise to at least 1900.
Turn and River betting are similar to the Flop

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It does answer your question. If I raise 1st with .10/.25 blinds to $1, then the minraises (on for infinity) go $0.75 at a time, until the point that EasyT talks about (an all in that isn't a full reraise)
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Old 11-09-2005, 05:30 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Ok look at Example A seat 4 then seat 5. Notice how seat 5 raised 100 less then the seat 4 equaling 600. Shouldn't seat 5 raise to at least 700 as in Example B?

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It does answer your question. If I raise 1st with .10/.25 blinds to $1, then the minraises (on for infinity) go $0.75 at a time, until the point that EasyT talks about (an all in that isn't a full reraise)
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Old 11-09-2005, 05:54 AM #7 (permalink)  
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EXAMPLE A:
Seat 1 posts 200 small blind.
Seat 2 posts 400 big blind.
Seat 3 raises to 1000 (a raise of 600).
Seat 4 raises to at least 1700 (1000 + 100 above a minimum raise of 600 =700).
Seat 5 raises to 2300 (1700 + minimum raise of the first raise = 600)

OR IS THIS CORRECT??

EXAMPLE B:
Seat 1 posts 200 small blind.
Seat 2 posts 400 big blind.
Seat 3 raises to 1000 (a raise of 600).
Seat 4 raises to at least 1700 (1000 + 100 above a minimum raise of 600 =700).
Seat 5 raises to 2400 (1700 + minimum raise of the last raise = 700)
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Seat 1 posts 200 small blind.
Seat 2 posts 400 big blind.
Seat 3 must raise to at least 800 and raises to 1000 (a raise of 600).
Seat 4 raises to at least 1600 (1000 a minimum raise of 600 =1600).
I don't know where your 100+ figure comes from.
Seat 5 raises to at least 2200 (1600 + minimum raise of the last raise = 600)

If Seat 4 raises to 1700
Seat 5 must raise to at least 2400 (1700 + minimum of the last raise = 700)
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Old 11-09-2005, 06:56 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 "Ok look at Example A seat 4 then seat 5. Notice how seat 5 raised 100 less then the seat 4 equaling 600. Shouldn't seat 5 raise to at least 700 as in Example B? "

yes.

this is the same situation as in edud's example, the first raiser in your example doesn't change anything, in effect the big blind is treated like a raise.
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Old 11-09-2005, 01:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Perfect. That's all I needed to know. Thanks everyone!
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