Poker Forum

Over 1,246,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Beginners Circle

  > 

Repping the trip tens obv.

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Carroters
Old 03-23-2009, 04:53 PM     Post subject: Repping the trip tens obv. #1 (permalink)  
Carroters's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
Posts: 2,216
Carroters has a spectacular aura aboutCarroters has a spectacular aura about
 FWIW: I very rearely do stuff like this in these games and often fold preflop here. Villain was 31/17/4.4 over 96 hands. His att to steals was 32% and his c bet was 80%

Is this just spewy without better reads on his turn play?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($14.65)
BB ($63.22)
UTG ($20.64)
MP ($18.63)
Hero (Button) ($21.51)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, J
1 fold, MP bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.50) 10, 3, 10 (2 players)
MP bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.70) 6 (2 players)
MP bets $1, Hero raises $3.20

Total pot: $4.70

 
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
Airles™
Old 03-23-2009, 05:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
Airles™'s Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 317
Airles™
I don't like the pre-flop call or the call on the flop. We're 5-handed here. I'm 3-betting PF here a lot of times against this type of villain. By calling PF and again on the flop, we really haven't narrowed down the villain's range much, if at all.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
The solution to getting 1 outered is a simple one. We just need to find the site that is the least rigged.
 
Reply With Quote
Stacks
Old 03-23-2009, 05:55 PM #3 (permalink)  
Stacks's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
Posts: 2,605
Stacks will become famous soon enoughStacks will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Airles™
I don't like the pre-flop call or the call on the flop. We're 5-handed here. I'm 3-betting PF here a lot of times against this type of villain. By calling PF and again on the flop, we really haven't narrowed down the villain's range much, if at all.
Why do we want to "narrow" villains range down per se?

Calling preflop is +ev. 3betting is likely +ev also. Matter of preferences and reads. As played preflop, I float the flop also (instead of raising because if I raise I'm really ONLY repping Tx, 33 for value).

I like the play on the turn. Tx is such a small part of his range, and he will be put in a tough spot with the majority of his value range. And given you now have 9 more outs, you still have good equity. Also, it's likely he doesn't b/3b the turn very often.

So imo, nh sir.
Reply With Quote
bigspenda73
Old 03-23-2009, 05:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
bigspenda73's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,546
bigspenda73 will become famous soon enoughbigspenda73 will become famous soon enough
 Hah more black/white (this might be my new thing)

3betting is +EV so calling cannot bet +EV!!

Either or is fine really, as someone good once told me "it's hard to screw up in position"

Post-flop seems fine.
Reply With Quote
Airles™
Old 03-23-2009, 06:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
Airles™'s Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 317
Airles™
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Either or is fine really, as someone good once told me "it's hard to screw up in position"
Good quote.

I must be just too aggressive then, because I'm still 3-betting this all day. I do like the raise on the turn.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
The solution to getting 1 outered is a simple one. We just need to find the site that is the least rigged.
 
Reply With Quote
Carroters
Old 03-23-2009, 06:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
Carroters's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
Posts: 2,216
Carroters has a spectacular aura aboutCarroters has a spectacular aura about
 I didn't 3 bet because I'm pretty dominated by his 3 bet calling range and wont get called by too many worse hands. I have position and my hand flops well.

I'm interested to know why we'd 3-bet here. Is it for value, or a sort of semi-bluff to try and win the pot there and then, but with a hand that flops well if he calls?

I tend to polariize my 3 betting range to hands that are clearly way ahead of villains opening range and the odd bluff with say (78s etc) if someone opens lightly and steals a lot, KJs is kind of in between and it's dubious in my head what I'm 3 betting for and what my post-flop plan is. Hope that makes sense.

 
Reply With Quote
speedcake
Old 03-23-2009, 07:17 PM #7 (permalink)  
speedcake's Avatar
Flush

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Tampa
Posts: 434
speedcake
I don't think you should polarize your 3betting range as a general rule, isn't it read and opponent specific? Why would you 3bet KJs against a loose opener unless you know he'll continue vs 3bets with a wide range? Call with position and keep his crap hands around.

If he folds to alot of your 3bets then polarize your range vs him, but I think calling for value with medium strength hands like KJs is still good in this case.
your banner burned here
 
Reply With Quote
Stacks
Old 03-23-2009, 11:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
Stacks's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
Posts: 2,605
Stacks will become famous soon enoughStacks will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carroters
I didn't 3 bet because I'm pretty dominated by his 3 bet calling range and wont get called by too many worse hands. I have position and my hand flops well.

I'm interested to know why we'd 3-bet here. Is it for value, or a sort of semi-bluff to try and win the pot there and then, but with a hand that flops well if he calls?

I tend to polariize my 3 betting range to hands that are clearly way ahead of villains opening range and the odd bluff with say (78s etc) if someone opens lightly and steals a lot, KJs is kind of in between and it's dubious in my head what I'm 3 betting for and what my post-flop plan is. Hope that makes sense.
Well the thing with 3betting here is if you decide not to call KJs is going to be one of the stronger hands you could fold here. So it would make sense to 3bet that hand because it will perform moderately well against a 3bet calling range. Also, if say villain is opening a wide range, and is calling 3bets with a relatively wide range, then this can be for value. If he is opening things like 87s, QJs, KT, etc and calling your 3bets, then your 3betting for value. This doesn't mean you have to call his 4bet if he makes one. Because against a player like that with the leak of calling too many 3bets, he likely has a totally different range for continuing against a 3bet. One range he calls with, and one he 4bets. You might not be ahead of his 4betting range, so it would have been as a bluff. And KJs does well for it's value, and blockers.

I think personally, I would be more inclined to call with KJs as I think it's well ahead of villains opening range, and it has so much value postflop. I might 3bet KJo some % of the time, I might 3bet KT, QT, etc type hands, that I'm not as happy calling with.

Another thing, you do realize that hands like 87s are very profitable to call with also. So they are also a hand that can fit into a calling range or 3bet bluffing range. I tend to call them in most cases for their value postflop. And also because they don't possess blockers, so the likelihood they have a big hand is not reduced.
Reply With Quote
T-Rex
Old 03-24-2009, 01:15 AM #9 (permalink)  
T-Rex's Avatar
Straight

Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 119
T-Rex
Send a message via AIM to T-Rex
sometimes I wonder what people think as +EV lol funny posts sometimes.

Great play sir u played it well although I would have 3 bet preflop getting value for my KJ because it is likey ahead of his range...and your not narrowing his range down when he callss he will call anyway. Your 3 betting for value in this case
Reply With Quote
RoyalProdigy
Old 03-24-2009, 02:10 AM #10 (permalink)  
RoyalProdigy's Avatar
Straight

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 178
RoyalProdigy
I like this play. I think you could have pulled it off either way...3 betting preflop or just doing what you did. You would have got a little more by 3 betting but hey either way it was good play, way to stick it to him.
Stack That Arab Money!!!
 
Reply With Quote
Carroters
Old 03-24-2009, 11:50 AM #11 (permalink)  
Carroters's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Da Amberlamps
Posts: 2,216
Carroters has a spectacular aura aboutCarroters has a spectacular aura about
 lol thanks for comments all and to stacks for pre flop explanation.

He min 3-bet this turn instantly. I called assuming he must have a ten to try and spike a club and win the rest of his stack, but alas the river blanked and I folded to his shove.

 
Reply With Quote
bigspenda73
Old 03-24-2009, 12:18 PM #12 (permalink)  
bigspenda73's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,546
bigspenda73 will become famous soon enoughbigspenda73 will become famous soon enough
 wtf is all of this talk that KJs is well ahead of his CO opening range?
Reply With Quote
texa8
Old 03-26-2009, 12:47 PM #13 (permalink)  
texa8's Avatar
Straight

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 207
texa8
also at low stakes there a lot of idiots who dont care what you are repping, which is one reason to focus more on value betting good hands than making these sorts of plays.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($2.13)
Button ($9.50)
SB ($2.76)
BB ($15.60)
UTG ($1.60)
MP1 ($1.85)
Hero (MP2) ($11.38)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5, 5
BB calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.70) J, 3, A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.50) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

River: ($3.50) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Total pot: $11.50 | Rake: $0.76

Results:
BB had 6, J (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
Hero had 5, 5 (two pair, Aces and fives).
Outcome: BB won $10.74


and...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($3.75)
SB ($6.46)
BB ($2.72)
UTG ($2.13)
UTG+1 ($3.46)
MP1 ($3.84)
MP2 ($9.75)
MP3 ($1.85)
Hero (CO) ($5.44)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, K
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) J, 6, 7 (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.55) J (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $1, MP2 calls $1

River: ($3.55) 4 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3

Total pot: $9.55 | Rake: $0.63

Results:
MP2 had A, K (one pair, Jacks).
Hero had Q, K (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: MP2 won $8.92

There are probably things wrong with these plays but i still think the point gets across.
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:58 AM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.