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11-13-2006, 03:36 AM
Post subject: Reads question: if someone tells you his hand....
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if someone tells you his hand on the turn after calling a bet, and you think he's telling the truth, do you think he will fold or call a big river bet (assuming the hand he tells you is marginal like top pair bad kicker)?
Example: i fire a 2nd barrel on the turn with air to a opponent who likes to call my cont bets with air. he really thinks about his call, and actually says "i have Q8" (which gives him top pair shitty kicker). Do you think i should bet huge on the river?
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they're usually lying
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Warpe
they're usually lying
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How often do you play live poker and where?
In my experience they're telling the truth here around 75%+ of the time because they think telling the truth in a spot where you would expect them to lie is tricky.
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they're usually lying
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wrong in my experience
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Warpe
they're usually lying
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How often do you play live poker and where?
In my experience they're telling the truth here around 75%+ of the time because they think telling the truth in a spot where you would expect them to lie is tricky. |
Meh, I'm just thinking back on all the "tricky" idiots that have either tried to bluff me out or get me to call by telling me their hand in the chatbox. I'm sure live is very different, and I don't play live much.
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An online tell that I use sometimes is that if someone says ANYTHING in the chat during a hand, they usually have a big hand that they're confident in. If they're bluffing they're usually too nervous to type anything.
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Fnord
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Meh, I'm just thinking back on all the "tricky" idiots that have either tried to bluff me out or get me to call by telling me their hand in the chatbox. I'm sure live is very different, and I don't play live much.
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Vegas trip? AMIRITE?
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Meh, I'm just thinking back on all the "tricky" idiots that have either tried to bluff me out or get me to call by telling me their hand in the chatbox. I'm sure live is very different, and I don't play live much.
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Vegas trip? AMIRITE? |
When the BR is at the right level, you'll be the first person I call. Hope you like Scotch. 
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When the BR is at the right level, you'll be the first person I call. Hope you like Scotch. |
The Excalibur and Mandalay Bay have AMAZING $200NL games, although they can get some pretty big pots so be prepared to play with $400+ behind. On the flip side, the play is often worse than $25NL Online. My biggest problem is conflicting views on how tight to play pre-flop.
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You have to think why the person is telling you what hand they have (may have).
If i flopped a hidden full house, then i would say i have nothing, slow play and hope you bet. (Remember that you might think I'm beign tricky and so you may just check.
If i flopped nothing then i may say i have a huge hand and try to steal the pot.
I may even say i have a huge hand when i do, make a big bet to make it look like I'm stealing the pot then get called or raised.
If you take an educated guess at how skilled this person is then you can tell wether he/she is telling the truth or lying.
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bearcats05
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You have to think why the person is telling you what hand they have (may have).
If i flopped a hidden full house, then i would say i have nothing, slow play and hope you bet. (Remember that you might think I'm beign tricky and so you may just check.
If i flopped nothing then i may say i have a huge hand and try to steal the pot.
I may even say i have a huge hand when i do, make a big bet to make it look like I'm stealing the pot then get called or raised.
If you take an educated guess at how skilled this person is then you can tell wether he/she is telling the truth or lying.
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um you sound like some of those people i play with who suck and think reads are all by looking at the people and if they say something.
just read the hand by the betting and other information you have about them. disregard what they say unless they are always saying hands then obviously try to pick up on something.
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When the BR is at the right level, you'll be the first person I call. Hope you like Scotch. |
The Excalibur and Mandalay Bay have AMAZING $200NL games, although they can get some pretty big pots so be prepared to play with $400+ behind. On the flip side, the play is often worse than $25NL Online. My biggest problem is conflicting views on how tight to play pre-flop. |
Hard to not play tight when players are raising 20x preflop when you're only allowed to buyin initially for 100x.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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Hard to not play tight when players are raising 20x preflop when you're only allowed to buyin initially for 100x.
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Sometimes the table plays like that. Just as often, it's limp and stack off poker.
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In my experience they're telling the truth here around 75%+ of the time because they think telling the truth in a spot where you would expect them to lie is tricky.
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yeah, same here..
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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jonyboy
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You have to think why the person is telling you what hand they have (may have).
If i flopped a hidden full house, then i would say i have nothing, slow play and hope you bet. (Remember that you might think I'm beign tricky and so you may just check.
If i flopped nothing then i may say i have a huge hand and try to steal the pot.
I may even say i have a huge hand when i do, make a big bet to make it look like I'm stealing the pot then get called or raised.
If you take an educated guess at how skilled this person is then you can tell wether he/she is telling the truth or lying.
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um you sound like some of those people i play with who suck and think reads are all by looking at the people and if they say something.
just read the hand by the betting and other information you have about them. disregard what they say unless they are always saying hands then obviously try to pick up on something. |
Of course you would look at the persons betting patterns (i never said you shouldn't), the best thing to do would to be find out in what situation this person lies/tells the truth. and I've never played live so i wouldn't base a persons hand on how they throw there chips into the pot.
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In my experience they're telling the truth here around 75%+ of the time because they think telling the truth in a spot where you would expect them to lie is tricky.
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yeah, same here.. |
Id say at LEAST 75%. probably closer to 90% in my experience. This is online though.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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Originally Posted by Warpe
When the BR is at the right level, you'll be the first person I call. Hope you like Scotch. |
The Excalibur and Mandalay Bay have AMAZING $200NL games, although they can get some pretty big pots so be prepared to play with $400+ behind. On the flip side, the play is often worse than $25NL Online. My biggest problem is conflicting views on how tight to play pre-flop. |
I'm starting to play in some of these local NL 200 B & M games. Played at Bally's the other night and it was like 25NL except its easier to spot the drunk/idiots. I'd be willing to buy the scotch as well. a current B & M sticky would be the shit. Apologies for the hijack.
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Hijack, holy shit, Vegasscoops avatar is HOT!!!
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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Ash256
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Learn to watch people's body language. Then you know whether or not they're fucking lying.
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TerryToma
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i find when people tell the exact hand ex "Q8" they are lying.
when they say something a bit more vague like "i have a big pair" they are telling the truth.
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Honestly, for the most part I don't call enough in these situations to have a representative answer. I can barely think of a situation where this would be a deciding factor in online play.
Live, I think you have to take the language along w/ all the other info you have accumulated at the table (body lang. etc.)
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