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Awaji E
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03-22-2006, 01:39 AM
Post subject: Re-raising pre-flop from late position with premium hands
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When you're holding AA AK KK in late position, and there has been a raise with some callers before you, how much of a raise do you like to put in?
If I'm the first to raise, I like 3-4X bb, plus 1 bb for each limper, as a general rule, but I feel lost if there has been action before me. Sometimes I'll just go all in, but I feel like there's a better way to play that situation.
So, lets say there's an opening 3bb raise and two callers, making the pot 10.5 bb. You're in late position with AA/KK/AK, and want to narrow the field but not elimate everyone. Is there a general rule you like to go by?
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WhooFleuryScores
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Standard reraise is triple the original raise + the raise amount for each caller.
So with a 3xBB raise and 2 cold callers I make it 9xBB + 2 limpers equals an 11xBB reraise easily with AKs/KK/AA.With AA I may even push;KK I may lay down if it's against a total rock.Big SLick suited I am taking it all the way to the flop.
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Miffed22001
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isolation.
two players to the flop max. Doesnt matter how much that amount is, so long as it does the job.
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You'd fold KK against a standard raise and two callers? Only if the guy has a 1% PFR stat after a significant number of hands, maybe. I'd push with it 9 times out of 10.
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Miffed22001
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Standard reraise is triple the original raise + the raise amount for each caller.
So with a 3xBB raise and 2 cold callers I make it 9xBB + 2 limpers equals an 11xBB reraise easily with AKs/KK/AA.With AA I may even push;KK I may lay down if it's against a total rock.Big SLick suited I am taking it all the way to the flop.
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A little thought on this.
Ep raises with QQ, 2/3 callers to you. You pot (more than pot it) for 11bbs i 2 callers for example. EP player now calls (bad play but ill let that go for a sec) which now gives a pot of ~30bbs with two callers. Set farming, im coming in behind here and to be really annoying i might get involved with two sooted cards here as well, as i might have done calling the original raiser.
Thus 11bbs or potting it isnt enough imo. If im going to isolate here id prob bet upwards of 15 to 20bbs or 1 1/2 2 times the pot. That ensures isolation or a pot won preflop and 9bbs is about average i think for AA/KK.
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siknd
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i find it useful to think in terms of BB for raising, but transition to pot terms for reraising.
i like to raise 4-5x bb, but i like to REraise the size of the pot (for anyone who plays pot limit, this calculation comes quickly)
so for example, in a 1/2 game, if the pot came raised to me 4x the BB (1$sb +2$bb +8$ raise), i would reraise to ~27$ straight. (11$ in the pot, plus my 8$ call=19)
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I like three times the raiser's amount, plus extra for each limper, personally. A lot of times it works out to the size of the pot or a little more.....and that will normally only get you one caller, and MAYBE a shorty in there with ya...but it will thin the field to three or less 99% of the time.
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Les_Worm
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I like to raise 3x whatever the initial raise is. If the raiser makes it 4x then I like to make it 12x. This is with AA and KK only. AK and QQ I just flat call.
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Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ As Ac ]
zhoti folds.
pisces_lover checks.
mikla555 calls [$1].
LeejaStar folds.
HighcardV raises [$3].
T__K__O folds.
kevmon111 calls [$3].
lahlalay folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$14.50].
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WhooFleuryScores
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I'd push with it 9 times out of 10.
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And get stacked by AA.Excellent.
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Eat the Flesh
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I'd push with it 9 times out of 10.
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And get stacked by AA.Excellent. |
Ya, maybe once in a blue moon , but you'll stack AK KK QQ possibly JJ if some donk lets ya
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Laeelin
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Originally Posted by Eat the Flesh
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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores
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I'd push with it 9 times out of 10.
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And get stacked by AA.Excellent. |
Ya, maybe once in a blue moon , but you'll stack AK KK QQ possibly JJ if some donk lets ya |
Depends on the players and limits.
I've folded KK preflop about 15 times now. (out of the times i've saw the other players cards, i've been wrong 1 time)
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