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You can smell the fear. Noobie posts hand. AA. Station calls 2 streets. ZOMFG!! What do i DOOOOOO??? Sometimes, it's not a noobie. If you're not cheering - standing up from the computer fist pumping happy - you're a dumbass. Can't we figure this out? What's the biggest f**king leak you can have? Chasing with weak hands. A lot. Don't whine like a 6-year girl about raising KK 3xBB +1BB per limper and getting called by 6 fishtations. If it happens a lot, try raising 6xBB, or 10xBB. Heck, try shoving all-in with AA, dammit, and see what f**king happens. "OMG, I can't bet 8xBB *eek!* with KQo!!" No hysterics. Take a deep breath, little girl, and tighten up pre. Adjust until you're getting enough action on big hands with big raises that it's still playable. Even the fish have a threshold of pain. If you're a fearless f**king badass, you can find it. A station will fold to enough pressure, and if he won't that's even more $$ and more +++EV for you. Stop crying, and bet like you have some balls, dammit. You get constant 4-way flop action, and you think you're ahead of the fishstations. Then bet full pot cbets/value bets. Still too many callers for your pansy ass? F**king overbet the pot. I hear you crying now. "I can't overbet the pot with JJ on a KTx flop *sniff*." Adjust your pansyass cbetting range. Tighten it up. Value bet like you have the immortal nuts - 'cuz they're fishstations, and compared to the crap hands they've typically got, you're way the f**k ahead. "OMG, that would be *shudder/cry* HIGH VARIANCE wouldn't it?" WTF is your bankroll for? Looking pretty when you post in your "I'm playing like Johnny Chan" jacked up operation thread? Or for reloading like a man when weakass stations hit the 3 outer for a stack? Get this through your dumbass brick-brain right the f**k now. You are an FTR station-pwn'ing badass motherf**ker. You have no pansyass, girly-girl, crybaby fears. You have a solid FTR regulation bankroll for a f**king reason. Fold adroitly. Bet like a f**king house afire when you have a big hand. Pwn the f**king stations like you know you ought to. And win some damn money, dammit. Out. |
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The right play is almost always the opposite of your opponents. Versus very tight players pf, open up your pf range and take blinds. Versus loose pf players tighten your range and take down big pots as they call you down. |
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I am a FTR station-pwn'ing badass motherf**ker. I am a FTR station-pwn'ing badass motherf**ker. I am a FTR station-pwn'ing badass motherf**ker. |
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"$80 million Submarine mansion. Think about it."
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I hate micro-stations with a passion. My cold run of cards and horrible post-flop luck (yes, you do need luck when facing 5 calling station minnows) caused me to break the golden rule of moving up in stakes without the adequate BR. The play is so horrible I couldn't stand it any longer. Raising 10x the BB and having some jackoff calling me with T8o out of position and flopping 2 fucking pair OVER and OVER makes me want to kill myself. Goodbye $10NL... hello $50NL. Been there for almost a week and love it. Already made above and beyond the proper roll for these stakes, so bring it on variance! The calling stations can still be found, but there sure is shit ain't 5 of 'em! |
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Tightening up against players who make terrible post-flop mistakes reduces the number of tickets you get in the grand "bust the fish" lottery. When the rake is low and your opponents play bad with lots of money behind, see flops with your good hands. When the rake is high or you opponents have fewer leaks, then you need to play pretty snug. |
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Grinder, I hope you have Poker Tracker. Go back to your 10NL winning hands and look them over. Are you saying that those wins are all due to your poker expertise? Or are there quite a few in there where fish called you with T8o out of position and you took them for a bundle? Your jump from 10 to 5oNL is, shall we say, unorthodox. But I will hazard to say many of the regs have seen it here in this forum before. Now that you know you can beat 50, you will have it made. Good luck.... |
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I love calling stations, except when that calling station is me. They give money to people when they shouldn't. example from tonight. POKERSTARS GAME #15964768482: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/03/14 - 00:51:41 (ET) Table 'Edasich IV' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 2: pgil ($195.50 in chips) Seat 3: buddydowg ($106.65 in chips) Seat 5: araani ($23.35 in chips) Seat 6: KeiChi ($98.50 in chips) Seat 9: chevalesse ($26 in chips) chevalesse: posts small blind $0.50 pgil: posts big blind $1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pgil [Ts 9c] T H K joins the table at seat #7 buddydowg: calls $1 araani: calls $1 KeiChi: folds chevalesse: calls $0.50 pgil: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 8d Js] chevalesse: checks pgil: bets $2 buddydowg: calls $2 araani: calls $2 chevalesse: raises $2 to $4 pgil: calls $2 buddydowg: calls $2 araani: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Th 8d Js] [7s] chevalesse: bets $1 pgil: raises $13 to $14 buddydowg: calls $14 araani: folds chevalesse: folds *** RIVER *** [Th 8d Js 7s] [3c] pgil: bets $20 buddydowg: calls $20 *** SHOW DOWN *** pgil: shows [Ts 9c] (a straight, Seven to Jack) buddydowg: mucks hand henk sound joins the table at seat #1 pgil collected $87 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $89 | Rake $2 Board [Th 8d Js 7s 3c] Seat 2: pgil (big blind) showed [Ts 9c] and won ($87) with a straight, Seven to Jack Seat 3: buddydowg mucked [Ad Tc] Seat 5: araani folded on the Turn Seat 6: KeiChi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: chevalesse (small blind) folded on the Turn |
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Fuck it, im moving up too. $3/6 here i come. 
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Yeah, the move up was risky but it paid off. I have well over 20 buyins for $50 NL. But since you're moving up to $3/6 maybe I should too. 
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I think I preferred fusty professor Robb to Spoon-wannabe Robb 
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the station is the scourge of the shortstacker. I hate playing with people with 0% fold to Cbets and like 50% fold big blind. Theyre majorly -EV players, but that EV never seems to go to me. The end. |
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Was just a joke, you can move up to $400 for all i care. Actually you make a good point. (Although im sure it was meant to be a put down) I dont post enough hands for everyone to critique. I usually just post them in my OP and get the opinions of my friends. Kmind was saying that he thinks it would be better if i posted more responses too, but im not very confident in my game so i usually just read the stuff and keep my opinions to myself. Food for thought. Thanks. |
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I was talking to blackatom dude. It's a joke... besides, you got more posts than I do, and I've been a member longer. |
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Maybe you touched a nerve??? ..lol I think i got something out of it anyway. So its all good. Peace. |
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It's a short-term vs. long-term thing. I actually was playing against a kind of station at $15/$30 live limit last night, though this was a slightly different type of station than you get at micro-limits. Basically, in mid-to-high limit live poker, there's a fair amount of aggression, especially in position. People may very well open from the cutoff with J6 offsuit, for instance. And then the blinds will play back at the player (because they know he's willing to raise J6 offsuit!). So the big blind might call or re-raise with 74 offsuit, for instance. So now J6 and 74 see the flop. And the flop comes AQ2 rainbow. J6 fires off a continuation bet, 74 calls. Turn comes 8. J6, still representing the ace, 74 calls. River comes K. At this point, J6 might bet or check, and 74 might check, bet, raise, or fold. The thing is, what 74 has resolved himself to do there is not be bluffed by players raising trash or c-betting with air. And to do that, he basically plays as a calling station post-flop in raised pots. In any event, I was playing against one of these guys last night, and the reality is, what a station does is make it impossible or unlikely to take down a lot of pots with pure aggression. You basically have to wait until you have a hand and then value bet. And thus, what frustrates players in the short term is that (1) their fancy poker techniques don't work and they have to go back to being patient and tight and waiting for a good hand, and (2) if you go card dead, the calling station will almost assuredly win money from you. But you have to think long term. Eventually, last night, after 2 hours of total card death, I had 6c4c in the SB and was able to see the flop which came 642, with another 6 on the turn to give me my boat. This guy paid me off royally. But sometimes, that hand will never come. And you just have to remember that it's long run +EV to play against calling stations, even if you have a bad run against them. |
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The calling station may be a bad player in many respects, but the one thing you can say about him or her is that being a station is a +EV strategy against players who make too many continuation bets. Calling station calls preflop with T7 offsuit, flop is Q97, Hero continuation bets with his AK, and calling station calls. Maybe Hero tries again to buy the pot after the turn is a blank, calling station calls. River comes another blank and calling station takes down the pot with his 7's with a trash kicker. So what you have to do is tighten up your continuation betting range against calling stations, so that it is more likely that when you are doing it you have enough equity in the pot to justify the bet. |
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Tight players -> raise more often Loose players -> raise less often Aggro players -> tighten up Passive players -> loosen up in fact if you're a table with eight 50/10 fish (see: live poker) you might as well limp Axs and small pps in fact, they're so bad you can open limp and show a profit |
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Like BJ said over a year ago, no one said you had to cbet into 4 stations. If they're stations and you've got air, betting makes no sense. If some stations came along and you have AK TPTK, then you bet (or even overbet) to extract maximum value. |
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Against a nit, it may be true that you can open up your range and rely on your fold equity. However, once the nit indicates that he has a hand, you have to retreat back into tight-aggressive mode and only play when you can out-nit the nit. So it's way more complex than "play opposite". |
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You: "Hm, looks like that flop didn't connect with me, but I showed aggression preflop so I need to do a continuation bet against him. There's two diamonds there, so I want to bet an amount that gives him the wrong odds to go after the flush. By betting this strong he's definitely going to put me on an overpair or something good preflop that held up and get out of the hand, because hopefully he's seen how few hands I've played recently. And let's hit the bet button.... now." Him: "Hey I have a pair of fives; I call. lol " He just accidentally outplayed you because you're thinking at the wrong level. |
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Awesome thread, just been having this problem myself! Helps me feel better about things 
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